Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Angus, is it on this point of order?

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

It's on Mr. Genuis's point of order, and I'm very glad he raised it.

I did notice that the time has started, and I think it's really important that it's on the record. However, we do have many people here, many more than is normal. I know it takes a lot to set it all up. However, I would raise the question on whether we are limiting reflection on the amendment, because at 8:30 we can continue. I think that 8:30 was the time we agreed on in order to follow the House order. That's our understanding. We understood in the past that sometimes things start later because there are so many....

Look at how many people are around the table. Look at how many people are here tonight. They all wanted to make sure it was all done properly, but at 8:30 the House told us we start, so we're certainly ready to switch over.

I'm hoping we'll have it all done by 8:30, on goodwill, so 8:30 may not be necessary, but that all depends on what people do. I'm more than willing to start moving into the second phase, because I think Canadians expect us to get something done.

I appreciate your ruling, Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

On the same point of order, Chair—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

There's a point of order, and a point of order to the point of order, so I'm just going to deal with the first point of order.

Due to some technical challenges, we did start a few minutes after 6:30, but the House order is very clear that at 8:30 we will be moving forward.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

It was also clear about 6:30.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Genuis, for your point of order. That is the ruling of the chair.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[Technical difficulty—Editor] next.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

That ruling's been made. Do you have a point of order on something else, Mr. Patzer?

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

Yes, but it's on that point of order, though, Chair. There are precedents from many other committees that when the committee starts late due to technical difficulties, as you allege, the committee is extended. I'm generally curious to know whether you'll afford that same luxury here. As Mr. Genuis clearly stated, the order from the House to start at 6:30 doesn't say, “try to start at 6:30”. It says, “start at 6:30”.

Because of technical difficulties, we started later. It gives us two hours, so will you give us the full two hours, or will you not give us the full two hours?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Patzer, thank you for the point of order. I'll let other colleagues also know, as I've stated previously, the chair's ruling. It is that at 8:30 we will proceed with the House order. That's the ruling.

If there's a challenge to the chair on that ruling....

We have a point of order from Ms. Dabrusin.

Mr. Brock, I can only manage....

Ms. Dabrusin, I'll go to your point of order.

Mr. Brock, if you have a point of order as well—

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

I had a point of order at the same time.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Ms. Dabrusin, go ahead on the point of order.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

Mr. Chair, if the Conservatives—

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Brock, I'll ask you to turn off your mic until you are recognized.

I think I'm going to take a moment here to remind all colleagues that, when we have multiple points of order, you will be recognized. When multiple members turn on their mics and intervene, it is very difficult for our interpreters to provide interpretation. We've stated this, meeting after meeting, for the last two months.

I would ask all members to show respect and give every member an opportunity to participate. I will scan the room and acknowledge points of order as they come. I just want to make sure all members know that members speak one at a time so that the interpreters can do the tremendous job that they've been doing.

Mr. Brock, I will recognize you after I recognize Ms. Dabrusin.

Ms. Dabrusin, you have the floor.

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Ms. Dabrusin has not spoken, Mr. Falk. We'll deal with the point of order by Ms. Dabrusin—

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Mr. Brock hasn't spoken, and he was prior to—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Falk, I'll ask you to turn off your mic, and I'll recognize your point of order once Ms. Dabrusin starts. I would ask that you do not interrupt Ms. Dabrusin until she has the opportunity to make her point of order. Then I will recognize you, sir.

Thank you.

Ms. Dabrusin, go ahead on a point of order.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

On a point of order—

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Point of order, point of order.... You said that once she talked you would recognize me, so I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Falk, I going to ask you—

[Ted Falk, Conservative, Provencher, MB]

Here's the deal, Mr. Chair—