Evidence of meeting #80 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
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Conservative
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Once we hear the full motion, we can have that conversation.
Mr. Patzer, go ahead on a point of order.
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Conservative
Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK
My colleague is not moving a motion. She is introducing her amendment to the government's motion. It's not up to members to determine if it's a motion or an amendment. It is an amendment. The member said it's an amendment. Therefore, it's an amendment.
She's trying to amend the government's motion. I would humbly ask all members to just listen to what she has to say and see what her amendment to the government's motion is.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
We have a point of order by Mr. Aldag on Mr. Patzer's comments. It's a point of order on the point of order.
Go ahead, Mr. Aldag.
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Liberal
John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC
I fully support hearing the amendment that's being put forward. I do find it really difficult to follow when it's being put in there with all of the commentary that's being added. It's colourful and it's enlightening, but it is difficult.
I would ask if Ms. Stubbs is going to put forward an amendment, that we be given the amendment. Perhaps speak to any contextual information or reasons, but I'd like to hear what the amendment is and then we can deal with it. I think that will help us keep moving the conversation forward.
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Conservative
Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB
Thank you.
Let me say one thing on a personal note. I am a person who does not believe in special treatment for women. I do not believe in quotas. The vast majority of the people in Lakeland didn't elect me because I'm a woman. I think they elected me because they're principally Conservative and because, I hope, at some point I'm doing a good job for them and earning my keep.
I sure do appreciate all these older guys constantly interrupting me to tell me what to do, how to say things and what to say. I hope that after eight years I have somehow gained some kind of credibility as a substantive and fair-dealing member of Parliament in the course of my work.
I admire everybody here—
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Conservative
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Conservative
Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB
Maybe if the young woman can just finish her point and get to the amendment, which I was reading right before.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
We have a point of order, so could you just pause.
Mr. Angus, go ahead.
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NDP
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
My apologies, Mr. Angus. I thought it was you.
Mr. Aldag, my apologies. I didn't hear your point of order. Go ahead.
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Liberal
John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC
I'd like to say if that comment is aimed at me, I take huge exception to it. All I asked for through the point of order is that we hear the amendment in its entirety so we can deal with it.
If that's being taken as a slight.... I just think it's a way of trying to move the conversation forward. That is respectfully the request that I'd make.
I think it's being completely misconstrued for perhaps another false social media clip that Ms. Stubbs loves to do about what happens here.
Let's get the amendment on the table, and we can entertain it.
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Conservative
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Liberal
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Conservative
Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK
I find it really interesting after what has been said, that would be the comment that would come. That is presupposing what my colleague is going to do regardless of....
She was already in the middle of her motion. To presuppose that she's trying to take a dig at somebody for a social media clip is actually very low and very belittling, John. I hold you in much higher regard than that, so I'm actually quite disappointed in you for making that comment.
I'm going to cede the floor to my colleague, so she can actually get to the amendment to the motion that she's trying to make.
12:40 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Thank you, Mr. Patzer, for the point of order.
However, we're not going to go to Ms. Stubbs yet, because we have another point of order.
Mr. Falk, go ahead on a point of order.
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Conservative
Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Further to that point of order from Mr. Aldag, I was listening to Mr. Aldag and I was just waiting for an apology to come out, although I realized it wasn't coming. I thought that he'd made his point and he'd done it very eloquently, until he referred to my colleague, Ms. Stubbs, using this as an opportunity to present false social media content.
That's absolutely out of order, Mr. Aldag, through the chair.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB
His point was being well received. He had to take that little jab at the end to make a false accusation of my colleague. I think that was very inappropriate.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Thank you for your point of order, Mr. Falk.
We have a point of order by Mr. Angus.
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NDP
Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON
Thank you.
This is all very interesting, but what we see is this continual obstruction. We've raised the questions: Does she have an amendment? Will she read the amendment? If she reads the amendment, we can vote on it. Otherwise, we're playing games here.
I would like to hear the amendment, and that's what my colleague, Mr. Aldag, asked for. We need to hear the amendment. I believe there are serious issues with the amendment, but I'd like to hear it, and I've not been able to hear it.