Evidence of meeting #80 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Miriam Burke  Committee Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Patrick Williams
Marc-Olivier Girard  Committee Clerk
Thomas Bigelow  Committee Clerk

11:35 a.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

I do have the floor, so thank you, Mr. Falk.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Order.

I'm going to ask all members once again.

Colleagues, I would ask all members to respect all members through our discussions here at this committee.

Mr. Falk, a ruling has been made on who is next on the speaking order. I will give you the opportunity, Mr. Falk, if you would like to challenge the chair on that ruling—

Order.

We're suspending.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you, colleagues.

We are back to our meeting.

Where we left off was that a ruling was made on the speaking order. Mr. Angus has the floor.

Mr. Angus, you do have the floor. We did hear a number of points of order pertaining to this specific issue on the speaking order. It was determined that Mr. Angus does have the floor.

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Thank you, Chair, I—

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

I'm sorry, Mr. Angus. We have a point of order by Mr. Falk.

Mr. Falk.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

You suspended in the middle of my point of order. I actually had the floor. We weren't up to Mr. Angus at all.

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

I'm sorry, but I don't think that's accurate.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Falk, what I did say several times on the previous point of order and also when you did have the floor was that the ruling was made on the speaking order. Mr. Angus does have the floor. That's to your point of order that you raised before we had suspended. Mr. Angus does have the floor.

I will offer you, Mr. Falk, that if you would like to challenge the chair on this, then you have the right to do so. Then the committee can proceed to the vote.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

What I would like to do, Mr. Chair, is to point out how we left off at our last meeting and who actually had the floor, and give you an opportunity to follow the rules of the committee. That's what I would like to do, Mr. Chair.

Without challenging your position or authority as chair, I would like to reiterate what exactly happened here at our last meeting and have you make an informed decision. I don't think you're making an informed decision.

Mr. Genuis did have the floor. I think it—

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you. We're getting into debate.

Mr. Falk, a ruling as the chair—

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Point of order, Chair.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Genuis, I'm going to first respond to Mr. Falk.

I read this out earlier, that procedurally the responsibility is the chair's to recognize members as their turn comes in the speaking order. As you referenced last meeting, this was also discussed last meeting. It was brought forward that Mr. Angus has the floor.

If you challenge the speaking order of Mr. Angus having the floor, I would ask you to please do so, and we can proceed with challenging my ruling as chair. In my role as chair, that is one of the responsibilities. I am following that responsibility here to acknowledge members as they wish to speak.

To that point, I will offer you, if you would like to challenge the chair on the speaking order—

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order on a different matter, Chair, before that.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Falk, I want to give you that opportunity to make sure as a committee member you have that opportunity, or I will then proceed to move forward.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order on a different matter in relation to—

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Excuse me, Mr. Genuis.

Mr. Falk, I just want to make sure that we're clear. Do you challenge the chair?

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, I have a point of order.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

One person at a time, Mr. Genuis.

It's going to Mr. Falk. Mr. Falk has the floor.

I'm asking if Mr. Falk would like to challenge the chair.

October 30th, 2023 / 12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Chair, what I'd like to do is for you to clarify to the committee whether at the last meeting you indicated that Mr. Genuis had the floor and that's how you suspended the meeting. Could you clarify that for the committee?

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

As chair, I clarified that Mr. Angus has the floor.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Sir, that's what you're saying this morning. I believe at the end of the last meeting, you had indicated—

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Falk, now we're getting into debate. A ruling was made.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I have a point of order, Chair.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

A ruling was made.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

I'm just wondering whether you could clarify whether indeed you did at the last meeting indicate that you suspended the meeting with Mr. Genuis having the floor.