Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

We had sent a subamendment, because we are allowed to do that. The subamendment I sent to the clerk said that BQ-6 should be subamended by deleting the word “legislative”.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Chair, I would like to speak on the point of order as well.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

It's important that we acknowledge that there have been subamendments submitted to the clerk. The problem is that, even when it's quiet in here, we still can't hear what we're voting on, because you haven't made it abundantly clear to the committee which ones we're voting on here. We didn't even know what we were on. Therefore, there is no queue to try to get your attention to make doubly sure you received the subamendments we submitted.

I read through the motion order as provided by the House of Commons. It does not say anything about subamendments, which would therefore imply that we have the full right and ability to move them.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Patzer, thank you for your point of order.

Subamendments are not admissible after 8:30.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

It doesn't say that. Where does it say that?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Subamendments are not admissible—

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

Where does it say that?

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Patzer, we have to be on the clause to move a subamendment.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

Yes, I know—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We have to be on the clause of the amendment to move a subamendment. Your amendments were provided in advance, but we were not on the clause where you could propose a subamendment.

We are now in—

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I proposed the subamendment. I just did.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

After 8:30—

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

No. Tell me where it—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Patzer, your subamendment is not admissible.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Would you let the clerks advise us on the rules, since you don't know them?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Colleagues, I'm going to once again ask members not to turn on their mics.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I challenge the chair.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order. I don't even know what the chair's ruling is.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Colleagues, it's very clear.

To Mr. Patzer's point of order, it says, “and if the committee has not completed the clause-by-clause consideration of the bill by 8:30 p.m., all remaining amendments submitted to the committee shall be deemed moved”.

Now that they have been moved and we are in a vote, we are voting on each one without further debate.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

It's not debate. It's a subamendment. The House order says nothing about moving subamendments. Please point to the spot in here where it says we cannot move a subamendment.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Are we on clause 4 now?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Patzer has challenged the chair, and there is a vote on the floor.

Shall the chair's ruling be sustained?

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

You haven't told us the ruling, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

The ruling is this: You cannot move subamendments at this point. I made a ruling, and the vote is because Mr. Patzer challenged the chair.

Shall the chair's ruling be sustained?

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 7; nays 4)