Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Shall BQ-10 carry?

[John Aldag, Liberal, Cloverdale—Langley City, BC]

I'd like a recorded vote, please

(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 3 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Shall CPC-18 carry?

[An hon. member]

I'd like a recorded vote, please.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Shall BQ-11 carry?

[An hon. member]

I'd like a recorded vote, please.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 7 as amended agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)

(On clause 8)

We are on CPC-19.

The amendment seeks to increase the number of members of the council from 15 to 20, which would create additional spending. As House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, states on page 772, “Since an amendment may not infringe upon the financial initiative of the Crown, it is inadmissible if it imposes a charge on the public treasury, or if it extends the objects or purposes or relaxes the conditions and qualifications specified in the royal recommendation.”

In the opinion of the chair, the amendment proposes new spending, which would require a royal recommendation. Therefore, I rule the amendment inadmissible.

Go ahead, Mrs. Stubbs, on a point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Can you give the rationale for that, since, of course, one of the main problems with Bill C-50 is that there are no costs outlined for any of what these things will be.

How can there suddenly be a rationale and declaration from you that this amendment won't work? You're asserting that it's going to add costs, but there are no costs outlined in the bill in the first place. This is a key problem with it, which we could have discussed if you guys had allowed this to go through the normal process.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

Is that a challenge to the chair?

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Madam Dabrusin, you'll know when I'm challenging the chair, because I'll say so. It was a point of clarification, exactly as I said.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

In the opinion of the chair, the amendment proposes new spending, which would require a royal recommendation. Therefore, I rule the amendment inadmissible.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Chair, there is no new spending in the amendment.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

There is no debate. We will proceed to amendment NDP-3.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

I'm challenging your ruling, Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Okay, we have a challenge of the chair.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

There's no spending outlined in the bill at all, so how can you assert there's any addition?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We'll have a recorded vote.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 6; nays 5)

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We're on NDP-3.

If NDP-3 is adopted, then CPC-20—

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Chair, on a point of order, we'd like to know who the voting members are right now.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

—and CPC-27 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Also, if NDP-3 is adopted, then CPC-20, BQ-12, CPC-24, CPC-25 and CPC-26 become moot since the committee would already have made a decision on the composition of the members of the council.

Shall NDP-3 carry?

[An hon. member]

I'd like a recorded vote.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

On a point of order, before I enter my vote, I need to know what the line conflict is. I want an informed vote.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I'm sorry, Chair and Clerk, but have we suddenly disappeared into the ether or has everyone lost their hearing? Can someone acknowledge us? We do represent millions of Canadians.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6; nays 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

On a point of order, tell us who the voting members are—right now.