Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We're on CPC-52. If CPC-52 is adopted, CPC-53 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Shall CPC-52 carry?

[John Aldag, Liberal, Cloverdale—Langley City, BC]

I'd like a recorded vote, please

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Shall CPC-53 carry?

[An hon. member]

I'd like a recorded vote, please.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-54 carry?

[An hon. member]

I'd like a recorded vote, please.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 19 as amended agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Next is new clause 19.1 and BQ-23. There has been a request for a recorded vote.

[Shelby Kramp-Neuman]

I'd like a full stop here. I'm sorry. I recognize that the chair has the use of his discretion. We're not being repetitive, because the chair does not even know what our point of order is. It's incumbent on the chair to at least acknowledge a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Shall BQ-23 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings] )

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We will suspend for a few moments.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We are back.

(On clause 20)

Shall amendment LIB-11 carry?

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall amendment BQ-24 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall amendment CPC-55 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall amendment CPC-56 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall clause 20 as amended carry?

(Clause 20 as amended agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)

(On clause 21)

If CPC-57 is adopted, CPC-58, CPC-59, CPC-60, CPC-61, CPC-62, CPC-63, CPC-64 and amendments in packages J and K cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I challenge your ruling—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Shall CPC-57 carry?

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I challenge you. I challenge your ruling. It's pretty straightforward. It's a dilatory motion, which means there's no debate and you immediately have to proceed to a vote, because it's a dilatory motion.

It was in between the vote calls, so you can't say that a vote was going on.

It's a dilatory motion. You have to recognize it—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I'll say it again. Shall CPC-57 carry?

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I've challenged you. You cannot proceed when there's a dilatory motion on the floor.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

You can't break the rules, Chair. You're supposed to—

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

I challenge the chair. It's a dilatory motion.

Chair, you have to acknowledge that there is a dilatory motion on the floor.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Since the chair's ignoring us, could one of the clerks answer what should happen now with the challenge to the chair?

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

Because there's a dilatory motion, all things have to stop and you proceed with the dilatory motion until it's done. We're between votes, so you can't just ignore me, Mr. Chair. This is the time that I was instructed by you earlier this evening to raise points of order. This is supposed to be the time for me to challenge the chair.

Earlier today in this meeting, you actually instructed us to challenge you, and I am doing so. If you want to be consistent with your words and your rulings, Mr. Chair, you should accept this challenge—this dilatory motion—and we should proceed with the challenge to the chair over the ruling you made with regard to the CPC amendments.

[Shelby Kramp-Neuman, Conservative, Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON]

We recognize that you have discretion, Mr. Chair, but you also have rules to follow.

[Mario Simard, Bloc, Jonquière, QC]

I'd simply like to say to my interpreter friends that it's very late. I understand that, and if they want to stop interpreting the nonsense from my Conservative colleagues, it wouldn't bother me at all. So there.

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

There's a dilatory motion, Mr. Chair.

Since there seems to be a pause, I think we should proceed with the vote on the challenge to the chair, because it's—