Natural Resources Committee on Feb. 1st, 2024

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

We support the Liberals' inclusion of the provincial ministers' jurisdiction in Bill C-49.

[Yvonne Jones, Liberal, Labrador, NL]

Please, have respect for the rest of us on the committee.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I will ask all colleagues to respect the rules of this committee—

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Perhaps you could just let me finish my point.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

If you make a point of order, when you're recognized, you can proceed with your point of order—

[Pat Kelly, Conservative, Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Procedurally, we do not use points of order for debate.

Mr. Kelly, you have a point of order. Go ahead.

[Pat Kelly, Conservative, Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB]

It is a standing order that members may not mislead a committee. They can't mislead Parliament. This is a creature of Parliament and you can't mislead it.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I have a point of order.

[Pat Kelly, Conservative, Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB]

Mrs. Stubbs' point of order was under the rubric of misleading committee. It is her point that this member, Charlie Angus, has misled the committee. That is a point of order. You can rule one way or another, but it is a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Kelly, thank you for that. That was not stated at the time—

[Jeremy Patzer, Conservative, Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK]

Yes, it was.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Angus has a point of order.

Mr. Angus, go head.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I'm looking at the blues, where the Conservatives said they were going to oppose the legislation. If they change their minds in this meeting, I am more than willing to withdraw and work with them, but they are on the record that they're going to oppose this legislation, so I said that. That's a fact.

Facts hurt sometimes, my Conservative colleagues.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Okay, colleagues, once again, before we engage—

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Well, now you're talking about a different issue.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

—in a number of points of order and everybody starts turning on their mics.... We've had this conversation before, a number of times over several months, about numerous members turning on their mics at the same time and speaking into the mics. Our interpreters, unfortunately, cannot interpret when we have five mics on. Everybody is aware of that, but we continue to do it.

Please, so our interpreters can do their jobs, let's not turn on our mics and all make comments into the mics.

Colleagues, you'll get an opportunity to speak in your time. If there's something on the record you'd like to clarify or ask questions of our witnesses about, you can do so at that time.

We've gone through all the points of order.

Do you have a point of order, Mr. Kelly?

[Pat Kelly, Conservative, Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB]

It's not a new one. It's on the point of order that was just raised.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Okay, I'll recognize you on the point of order that was just raised.

Go ahead.

[Pat Kelly, Conservative, Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB]

The member had in fact made a whole series of statements in addition to the one he offered as a clarification. He went to motive. He spoke of the motive of Mrs. Stubbs, which he is in no position to do. These statements were incorrect.

I merely point out that Mrs. Stubbs had objected to the member misleading the committee by making up his own facts as to motive with respect to the Conservative position.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Thank you, Mr. Kelly, for your point of order.

We'll now proceed.

Colleagues, we have nine minutes left. I've recognized everybody. For the remaining nine or 10 minutes that we have, if colleagues agree, I'm going to allow two and a half minutes for each party. It's a quick round. We'll have two and a half minutes each, starting with the Conservatives, then the Liberals, and then we can proceed to the other members.

If everybody's fine with that, then we'll end the meeting right on time, plus or minus a minute.

Are we good? I see no objections.

We now go to Mr. Small for two and a half minutes.

[Yvonne Jones, Liberal, Labrador, NL]

Sorry, I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Okay, go ahead, Ms. Jones, on a point of order.

[Yvonne Jones, Liberal, Labrador, NL]

Thank you.

Because my colleague Mr. Kelly raised the issue, I think it's important that I reiterate as well several things that were said in this committee that were non-factual or incorrect. I think he referred to them as made-up facts and misleading facts.

I'd like to recognize that on Monday in committee, the member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame stated that CAPP was not supportive of Bill C-49. We now know that was not accurate. CAPP did outline concerns that they had in a letter. They have not stated that they are not supportive of the legislation.

Second, Mr. Chair, it was stated that the premiers were “hoodwinked” and wool was pulled “over their eyes”. We now know that was an incorrect statement. Neither Premier Furey nor the Premier of Nova Scotia was hoodwinked in any way.

It was also insinuated that the FFAW was never consulted. While today he used Katie Power's name in committee, I just read the article and yes, there are concerns that have been outlined by Katie Power of the FFAW. It's the first time that I was aware of it, but certainly she did state in the article that she was consulted. She had attended several meetings, both virtually and in person.

If we want to get facts straight at this table—

[Clifford Small, Conservative, Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.