I think what Kim said is very important. I think programs like that are very valuable. If you're going to support Canada Wood Group, you're going to support Supply-Build Canada and BC Wood. That's important stuff.
As I said to you, our 60 member companies have all been maybe second- or third-generation companies. Just to sort of shed some light on it, I've been in business for 30 years. The first month we've ever broken even, or almost lost money, was October 2025. From the BDC program, we don't really need an inexpensive loan. We're okay, and that's the situation for most of the companies that are manufacturing products in Canada now. They're well-financed companies, so I'm going to side with Ms. Haakstad and say that the most important thing that we do now is really roll up our sleeves and try to get some kind of softwood lumber deal with the U.S., so that we can buy some time, continue to ship our products and then pivot to new markets.