I was in Ottawa in July for a meeting with ministers LeBlanc and Hodgson, and at that time they told a Canadian lumber trade association group, including the value-added companies, that they considered lumber to be as important as steel, aluminum and auto parts. We came out of that meeting, and we were quite encouraged. One of the things that Minister LeBlanc said was that every time he turned around, he was hearing about softwood, softwood, softwood.
We were a little disheartened when they had a mission down to visit President Trump, and after the meeting, Minister LeBlanc said that the three main things they had made headway on were steel, aluminum and energy. At some point between July and this meeting three weeks ago, softwood lumber was not discussed.
It's a contentious issue, as you know. It's never been included—