Evidence of meeting #15 for Natural Resources in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was resources.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Tim Hodgson  Minister of Energy and Natural Resources
Labonté  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Natural Resources
Vandergrift  Deputy Minister, Department of Natural Resources
Chan  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Lands and Minerals Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Hargrove  Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Natural Resources

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Good afternoon, colleagues. Let me call this meeting to order.

I would like to acknowledge, as we always do, that we are meeting on the unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe nation.

Welcome to meeting number 15 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Natural Resources. Today we meet for two hours to consider the supplementary estimates (B).

This meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. For interpretation, for those in the room, you can use the earpiece and select the desired channel. All comments should be addressed through the chair.

Colleagues, I think you know that we're being televised today, so I know that the comments and questions will be extra respectful.

Allow me to welcome the Honourable Tim Hodgson, Minister of Energy and Natural Resources, who is joining us for the first hour.

Welcome, Minister.

Welcome as well to the following officials: Michael Vandergrift, deputy minister; Jeff Labonté, associate deputy minister; and Francis Brisson, assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer.

Thank you to all for taking the time to appear today.

We will begin with opening remarks from Minister Hodgson.

Minister, you have the floor for five minutes.

3:30 p.m.

Markham—Thornhill Ontario

Liberal

Tim Hodgson LiberalMinister of Energy and Natural Resources

Thank you very much, Chair.

Thank you, colleagues, for inviting me here today on the unceded ancestral territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe, as was just mentioned, to discuss the supplementary estimates and answer your questions.

Right now, Canada stands at a pivotal moment. Faced with global volatility; a changing climate; technological revolution, particularly in AI; and an affordability crisis, it is clear that our old ways of doing business no longer serve us well. As Minister of Energy and Natural Resources, I hear a common message from coast to coast to coast: Canadians want us to leverage our resource abundance to become an energy and natural resources superpower. That means diversifying our exports to those who share our values, not just our borders; growing our economy to be the strongest in the G7; and using our energy and natural resources to build lasting prosperity at home and fund the programs and services that Canadians rely on.

This is why we are undertaking what I have called a wartime-like effort to retool our economy, unlock our domestic resources and accelerate our major projects with provinces and territories, indigenous partners and industry. Our government's core mission, much of it led by Natural Resources Canada, is to build Canada strong by empowering Canadians, strengthening our economic security and seizing new opportunities while carrying out vital work in areas like forestry, mining, energy, wildfire management and clean technologies. This work will give us more than any foreign government can take away from Canadians.

You see this ambition in budget 2025, in our climate competitiveness strategy and in our efforts through the Major Projects Office, all of which will help ensure that Canada leads in both conventional and clean energy and clean technology. We will make sure that it seizes the opportunities that lie in the global shift toward low-carbon energy and secures supply chains for our allies and for ourselves. We cannot control what other nations do, but we can control how and what we build here in Canada.

As the Prime Minister often says, we can give ourselves more than others can take away from us.

This is why we created the new Major Projects Office. We have already referred two waves of nation-building projects, including critical mineral projects, new transmission infrastructure, LNG terminals to the west coast, the G7's first small modular reactors, offshore wind and potential new transmission in Atlantic Canada, as well as major projects that expand the port of Montreal and get Iqaluit off diesel power. Taken together, these projects will get Canadian resources to global markets faster. They are expected to attract almost $116 billion of investment, create thousands of good jobs and strengthen energy security while reducing emissions.

The supplemental estimates for 2025-26 advance these goals by increasing Natural Resources Canada's reference levels by $50.3 million, bringing the department's total budget to $5.23 billion.

One example is the defence stockpiling initiative that I announced while hosting the G7 energy and environment ministers' meeting at the end of October. A transfer of $23.3 million from the Department of National Defence under the defence industrial strategy will support a defence stockpiling regime that accelerates domestic critical minerals processing for defence and dual-use applications. The estimates also support our work with National Defence to assess the feasibility of nuclear microreactors to supply reliable heat and electricity for remote and northern bases of operations.

In both my past life and this role, it is clear that we can only build a strong Canada in partnership with indigenous peoples, first nations, Inuit and Métis. These estimates also include indigenous equity and ownership in major projects through the indigenous loan guarantee program so that indigenous communities can be full partners in Canadian resource development.

Together, these targeted investments reflect a bigger story. Natural Resources Canada, like the rest of our new government, is focused on delivery, not delay. We are using our natural advantages to build Canada strong while centring clean growth, innovation, investment certainty, reconciliation with indigenous peoples and greater security in a turbulent world.

I think we all agree that our vast natural resources are one of our biggest advantages.

Responsibly developing these resources will allow us to grow our economy, enhance our climate competitiveness and become an energy superpower.

Colleagues, the wealth of our country lies in these vast resources, but our greatness as a nation lies in how we choose to harness them. With the support of Parliament, these investments will help Canada unlock our full potential as a nation, secure our energy future and ensure prosperity for all Canadians. I look forward to our discussion today.

Thank you. Now is the time to act. I welcome your questions.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Thank you, Minister.

We will now turn to questions, and we're going to start with Mr. Chambers for six minutes.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Minister, it's a pleasure to see you here. Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule. You have a big job.

Forgive my brevity, but I have a few questions here, so I don't want you to take it the wrong way. I'm curious about the process for the Major Projects Office. Who makes the final decision about whether a project is referred to the MPO? Is that a decision you make personally? Is it one that cabinet makes? Is it one that the Prime Minister makes? Who holds that decisional right?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Projects come forward either from industrial proponents that choose to bring them directly to the MPO or from the relevant department. They can be brought forward by a province or territorial government, and oftentimes, the provinces and territorial governments are very close to what's going on in their particular jurisdictions. They're often working with these proponents, and they often contact us and ask for us to meet with them. They can also come forward from indigenous groups—

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

I'm sorry to cut you off—I mentioned brevity before—but my question isn't how they come forward. My question is, when they are referred, who makes the final decision about how to refer that project? How does it get on the list? Is that a decision you make by yourself, or is it a decision that cabinet makes or that the Prime Minister makes?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Projects get screened by the Major Projects Office. When the Major Projects Office thinks that they may be of help, those projects are presented to the Build Canada committee. The Build Canada committee reviews those projects and then presents the ones that get through to Minister LeBlanc, as the minister responsible for the Privy Council. Minister LeBlanc presents them to cabinet and then, ultimately, to the Prime Minister.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

The Prime Minister is involved, obviously, throughout this process, but it sounds as though the final decision is a cabinet decision. Is that correct?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

It is a cabinet decision, yes.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

I assume the Prime Minister's Office would be consulted throughout the process before it appears in cabinet.

Do you ever have one-on-one conversations with the Prime Minister about these projects, or are officials always present?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

There are always officials present.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Can I ask a question about the tanker ban? It came up in question period today.

It seems that you're trying to put some distance between yourself and the policy decisions of a previous government. Can you state clearly that this current government would either exempt or repeal the tanker ban if oil can make it to the west coast?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

What I can say is that we will work with proponents that have proposals. We have been clear with the proponents that if they have the support of first nations and they have support of the jurisdictions, we will work with them to clear whatever barriers there are.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Would that include clearing the barrier of the tanker ban?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I can't answer because I don't have an idea of a particular project you're talking about, so I have no idea whether—

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Do you think there's no particular proponent because it's unclear whether the government would repeal the tanker ban in order to move that product overseas?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I don't deal in hypotheticals.

If you're referring to the Alberta government, the Alberta government has said it will work on a proposal and bring it in the spring of next year. When it brings that, it will have had to do the work, just as any other proponent would. If and when it has done the work and it's gotten the support of first nations and the support of the jurisdiction, we will work with it to see how we can make things happen.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Does that include getting rid of the tanker ban?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Again, I'm not going to talk about hypotheticals.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Do you think there's a reason there is no proponent loudly coming forward now? Is it because the government is being unclear?

You have cabinet colleagues who are clearly wedded to the decisions of a previous government. Are you not willing to clearly state that you'll remove that barrier?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I'm willing to say that we have been talking with a potential proponent—the Government of Alberta. We have been working on, as has been widely reported, a memorandum of understanding. That is a work in process right now. I think we are getting close to a place...and when that gets done we'll have some more clarity.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

You have 30 seconds remaining.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

In my remaining time, I can't help but.... You've worked on both sides of the border. You have fairly lengthy and admirable experience in America and in Canada, on both sides of the business communities. We're nine months from when President Trump brought in unjustified tariffs. How long do you think the Canadian economy can survive in the current state without a deal?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Look, we are in a trade war. It's a trade war we did not ask for. It is a trade war we have to win. President Trump has decided, for whatever reason, to change the way the entire world trades with the United States. These are difficult negotiations.

I can tell you that we have the best deal of any country in the world today. That is in some ways cold comfort, but I want to be clear: We have the best deal of any country. No other country in the world has 85% of its trade crossing a border tariff-free today.

The Americans are systematically attacking us in a series of sectors. We are working hard to mitigate that while we continue to negotiate. What we've been clear on is that we will not do a bad deal. When you look at the deals that other countries have done, they are much less attractive than the deal we have today.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.