Maybe I'll take that first.
I think it was said earlier that in our experience globally when we look at deep decarbonization targets through taxes alone in places like France, where there's large public discord as a result of increasing energy prices, the carrot will be the route to success and less the stick. Looking at incentivizing decarbonization, as opposed to taxation, will help the public to keep its eyes on the prize rather than getting discouraged by another form of inflation in terms of energy pricing.
When I look globally at examples like that, it seems to be the best chance of success, both for growing the economy and for achieving carbon reductions in industry and in the grid.