Evidence of meeting #24 for Natural Resources in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gas.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Tim Hodgson  Minister of Energy and Natural Resources
Sletto  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Energy Regulator
Christie  Chief Economist, Canadian Energy Regulator
O'Brien  Assistant Deputy Minister, Fuels Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Jennings  Committee Researcher

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

I call the meeting to order.

We'll start, as we always do, by acknowledging that we are on the unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe nation.

Welcome to meeting number 24 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Natural Resources.

Today's meeting is taking place in hybrid format. We have a couple of our colleagues joining us by Zoom.

I would like to remind participants of the following points, because we are in hybrid format.

Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you. For those participating by video conference, click on the microphone icon to activate your mic, and please mute yourself when you are not speaking.

For those on Zoom, at the bottom of your screen, you can select the appropriate channel for interpretation: floor, English or French. For those in the room, you can use the earpiece and select the desired channel.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Jonathan Rowe Conservative Terra Nova—The Peninsulas, NL

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I just want confirmation that Mr. Hodgson will be staying here for the full hour now that we're starting a bit late.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

My understanding is that Mr. Hodgson will be with us for the first hour, and then officials will be here for the second hour.

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Conservative

Jonathan Rowe Conservative Terra Nova—The Peninsulas, NL

He'll be here for a full hour, not just—

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Markham—Thornhill Ontario

Liberal

Tim Hodgson LiberalMinister of Energy and Natural Resources

I'll stay an extra minute.

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Mr. Chair, I think what we're trying to clarify is that, per the schedule, the announcement, the public agenda and the minister's commitment, he will be here for the full hour when we start the meeting, since we are starting quite late due to votes.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

That is my understanding, unless there are extenuating circumstances, and I don't believe there are.

I just got the thumbs-up from Minister Hodgson. Thank you both for that point of order.

I'll just finish my introductory blurb, as I always do.

For members participating in person or via Zoom, please raise your hand if you wish to speak. I don't think we have any witnesses online, so I think I can dispense with the rest.

As everyone knows, comments should be addressed through the chair.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted on Tuesday, January 27, the committee shall commence.... That's the wrong study.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Don't worry. What happened to me last time was I read it out, but as I was reading, I realized I was reading the thing you're not supposed to read. These things happen to us, so it's okay.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Colleagues, the subject matter today, as you know, is clauses 593 and 594 in division 41 of Bill C-15, an act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on November 4, 2025. This was sent to us by the finance committee and it is under consideration today.

I would like to welcome our witnesses on your behalf.

We have the Honourable Tim Hodgson, Minister of Energy and Natural Resources. Welcome, Minister.

From the Department of Natural Resources, we have Greg Orencsak, deputy minister, and Erin O'Brien, assistant deputy minister of the fuels sector.

Minister, you will have five minutes for your opening remarks, after which we will open the floor to questions. You have the floor.

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair and colleagues, for inviting me to the standing committee today.

Hello, everyone. It's my pleasure to appear before you today to discuss elements of the budget implementation act related to my department.

Canada finds itself at a decisive moment. We are facing a trade war started by the United States. We need to build resilience across our economy, as well as deal with climate change. However, these challenges present tremendous opportunities if we are bold, if we are strategic and, most importantly, if we are united. Budget 2025 is about seizing these opportunities to ensure that Canada leads as an energy superpower, with an economy that is strong, sustainable and sovereign.

Canada's LNG sector is essential to our goal of diversifying exports beyond a single market and to solidify our position as a stable and low-carbon superpower and reliable supplier to our allies around the world. As LNG supplies expand to meet demand, Canada is positioned to offer a long-term, low-emission and predictable option to global markets.

The world wants what Canada has to offer. Providing LNG to our allies and partners is key to making Canada an energy superpower that will bring jobs to Canadian communities across this country, bring higher wages to our workers and build the resilience we need as we tackle the unfair and unjustified American tariffs.

This year, with our first exports to Asian markets under way as of last summer, and the referral of LNG Canada phase two and the Ksi Lisims project to our new Major Projects Office, Canada's LNG sector has historic momentum. LNG Canada phase two would double the production of LNG Canada phase one to become the second-largest facility of its kind in the world. The Ksi Lisims project, led by the Nisga'a Nation, would become Canada's second-largest LNG facility, with capacity to export 12 million tonnes per annum of LNG.

The federal budget puts forward two measures that would further strengthen LNG exports.

First, budget 2025 reinstates accelerated capital cost allowances for low-carbon LNG facilities, making these investments more attractive to investors while rewarding top-tier emissions performance.

Second, division 41 proposes to amend the Canadian Energy Regulator Act so that LNG export licences are extended to 50 years—10 years longer than before. This will have a profound impact, as it will mean more time for project owners to amortize the added capital costs of their low-emission strategy. It will allow them to pursue phased investment to expand their facilities and strengthen their returns. Current licence-holders can also apply for longer-term licences if their environmental approvals remain valid and if the Canada Energy Regulator assesses that Canada will still have enough natural gas to meet domestic needs.

These amendments may seem technical, but they have a real impact. They ensure that Canada can compete for investment from around the world and create jobs. We can generate greater royalties and expand government revenues so that we can pay for the things we are proud of as Canadians—our universal health care, our $10-a-day child care and our public infrastructure.

They also reflect our approach to streamlining regulations, accelerating projects and delivering certainty for proponents and investors so that our communities can prosper. If we consider the work being done by the Major Projects Office, the two LNG projects we referred to it could benefit from these changes.

These two projects alone represent over $100 billion in investment and will support thousands of good-paying jobs during construction and long-term employment across B.C. and Alberta. Should all proposed LNG projects proceed, Canada could be exporting as much as 100 million tonnes of LNG per annum, creating massive economic growth, increased international energy security and a strong competitive advantage, thanks to our continued efforts to protect the environment and respect indigenous rights.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Minister, we're over time. I'll allow you 30 seconds to finish up.

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Do you know what? I think they'd rather ask me questions.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Yes, I think they would too.

Thank you, Minister. I'm sorry for that, but I wanted to be respectful of the committee's time. Indeed, I'm sure they have some good questions for you.

We are going to start with Ms. Stubbs for six minutes.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Thank you, Minister, for being here today and for your personal outreach and offers for meetings, which we haven't yet had. Of course, I'll say the same things to you privately and publicly. I look forward to this conversation today.

Per clauses 593 and 594 of the BIA, of course, Conservatives support extending LNG export licences to 50 years for long-term certainty. We've pushed for LNG approvals consistently for the reasons you've now articulated.

Since 2015, as you know, the current federal government approved only four of 18 Canadian LNG proposals. Only the one that Conservatives approved—LNG Canada phase one and phase two at the same time—actually operates, while the U.S. approved 26. With 16 being built and operating, the U.S., of course, is the world's lead exporter now. The Government of Canada turned away Europe, so other countries moved to fill the gap. Mexico is poised to beat Canada.

My first question is, how can Liberals claim to want Canada to be an energy superpower when those are the facts on Canadian LNG?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I think I can say with humbleness and humility that this is a new government with a new Prime Minister, a new Minister of Energy and Natural Resources, new parliamentary secretaries and a different leadership in the civil service, which the Prime Minister has put in place. That has very clearly shown a different approach to energy.

As our Prime Minister has said—

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Thank you, Minister.

Let's move on to the current situation, because you mentioned your referrals of LNG Canada phase two and the Ksi Lisims project, which, of course, could have been done immediately after your election—not so long ago now. I have some questions about this process, since we're going to talk about the future.

In addition to the referrals from November 13, 2025, you also referred the critical tungsten Sisson mine in New Brunswick to the MPO. We support that, of course. What's the target date for completion?

Tim Hodgson Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I don't have that in front of me.

Claude Guay Liberal LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC

I have a point of order.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Proceed on your point of order, Mr. Guay.

Claude Guay Liberal LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC

I thought we were supposed to stay on topic, and now we're in mining.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Ms. Stubbs, for relevance, perhaps you could stick to the topic of the day.

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Sure. The relevance is that this is a question for the natural resources minister about natural resources projects. He himself just mentioned the new approach, so I'm going to ask him questions about it. It's all relevant.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

We are specifically discussing clauses 593 and 594 of Bill C-15. If you could at least draw some connection to that, I would appreciate it.

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

I did draw the connection off the top according to the minister's answer.

I want to confirm that my time has been paused.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Yes, it has.

Proceed.