I don't know Mr. Johnston.
The characterization that the cost will be very high is an incredible amount of detail to absorb. We can look at the actual reality that the TMX pipeline is full. It is already ready to be expanded. There is demand for it to be expanded using the tolls that are in place and designed to pay for that pipeline. Clearly, there is a commercial demand for pipelines to the west coast.
As I went around the world, many countries and also companies were very keen to buy more Canadian oil off the west coast. They would be thrilled if there was an opportunity to do that.
With respect to public money, I want to be clear. What we have said is that we would support indigenous equity ownership with the indigenous loan guarantee program, so there could be scenarios where public money could be used in a pipeline such that it was supporting indigenous ownership of that pipeline.