Evidence of meeting #11 for Subcommittee on Neurological Disease in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was als.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Cameron  President and Chief Executive Officer, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada
Nigel Van Loan  Board Member, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada
François Gros-Louis  Assistant Professor; Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada
Sari Jormanainen  Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada
Karin Phillips  Committee Researcher

8:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our committee. I'm very pleased to have you here today.

This meeting is pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), dealing with our study on neurological diseases.

Our witness from the Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada is David Cameron, the president and chief executive. Welcome, Mr. Cameron.

We also have Nigel Van Loan, a board member. Welcome, Nigel, I'm glad you're here.

We have François Gros-Louis, an assistant professor and a very astute researcher, I understand, with his own lab recently. Welcome, François.

We also have Sari Jormanainen. Welcome. I am so glad you are here this morning, Sari.

You will have ten minutes each for your presentations.

We will begin with Mr. Cameron, please.

8:50 a.m.

David Cameron President and Chief Executive Officer, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

Thank you.

Madam Chair and members of the committee, thank you very much for this opportunity to inform the subcommittee about ALS.

Before I get too far along, I just want to comment that I've been in Ottawa now about three times over the last four weeks. We were here on October 5, when we came here for our annual Hill day. We came here with three asks: for more funding for CIHR; consideration of compassionate care; and an ask around benefits for veterans with ALS.

I had the good fortune of meeting with Minister Blackburn on October 5, and we had a good discussion about benefits for veterans with ALS. I was invited back on October 15 to participate in a press conference with him, at which time he announced the granting of benefits to veterans with ALS, which is outstanding. My thanks to the Prime Minister for his personal intervention, and my thanks to Minister Blackburn for the initiative that was taken. It was very, very proactive. So that's one of the asks down.

During the October 5 Hill day, I had an invitation to attend a luncheon, where Mr. Ignatieff brought forward his platform with respect to compassionate care. We applaud that, and also hope and encourage all parties to put compassionate care into their platforms. So maybe that's another one partially down.

Now our ask is focused on getting more dollars for CIHR.

I've been president and CEO of ALS Canada for a little over seven years now, and I'm going to provide you with a little background on the organization. The Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada, ALS Canada, is 33 years old. It's a nationally incorporated health charity. It is composed of a volunteer board of 24 directors, most of whom are touched in some fashion. Those who are on the board will often seek their other friends and bring them onto the board. So it's a very passionate group. There are 10 provincially incorporated ALS societies, so in total there are 11 across the country. Each of those 10 has one representative on my board of directors, composed of the 24 individuals.

A little over 30 years ago the idea of creating a health charity called ALS Canada was conceived by a group of senior neurologists. Their rationale was simply that the disease had been around, it had been identified by Charcot back in the 1800s, and a cause and cure had still not yet been identified. So the group got together with the primary focus of research, and that has been the mandate for the past 33 years.

You heard a lot about research back on June 8, when we had the first opportunity to be here. You know that funding of research is our prime goal. In 2003 we were funding around $500,000 a year in research in partnership with CIHR and Muscular Dystrophy Canada, and now in 2010 our research investment in our budget is a little over $2 million. So there's been a great growth in the dollars made available.

About eight years ago the board of directors decided there was more that we could do beyond the research mandate, and we decided that we would start to address the quality of life issue, which has been the province and mandate of the provincial societies. Specifically what we do is to provide assistance to the ten provincial societies in their delivery of the support that is their purview. So we have resourced up with staff. We don't deliver, because that's in the purview of the provinces, but we assist.

We have a somewhat unique relationship as the 11 ALS societies. We have all agreed that moneys raised for research anywhere in the country, whether by ALS Canada or by any of the ten provincial societies, will flow to ALS Canada so that there is one central area of competency and we don't fragment the available dollars. I think that's somewhat unique in the health charity field.

On our support mandate, we have created resources for people with ALS and also for those individuals who want to know more about ALS. They may be friends or family who have come into this world they had never heard of before and are feeling lost. We have created a manual for the newly diagnosed individual, and we make that available through each of the ten provincial societies. It's also available through all 15 of the ALS clinics from coast to coast and is also available online. It's downloadable off our website.

We've developed a family physician's guide to ALS, because the family physician is often the first individual a patient comes to with symptoms. We've put it together in a CD-ROM. It's been revised, reviewed, and sanctioned by physicians, and we distribute it across the country to as many individuals as can. We make it available to physicians online, as well.

We have all the current information on ALS on our website as well as all the information on research. When individuals are newly diagnosed, and later along, they're anxious to know what's going on in research, and we are a prime source of that information.

About three or four years ago we made a decision to focus on the children of individuals who have ALS. What we were learning was that when there is a diagnosis, both of the individuals involved, the individual with ALS and the partner, focus very much on themselves. One leaves work; the other becomes a prime caregiver. Children are very often, not intentionally, moved to the side. They're sheltered from the information.

First off, we started an interactive website that has age-appropriate information for children so that, depending on where they are and what age they are, they can identify things that will give them a sense, in a non-intimidating fashion, of what ALS is. It's also available in booklets for the three different age groups.

This year, just in September, we initiated a youth retreat. We went to all of the provinces and identified individuals with ALS who had children, or children who had gone through an ALS experience, and invited them to the Toronto area for a retreat. We had about 17 individuals from about age 15 or 16 through to 22, and they came together for a weekend. The recurring comment we heard from the youth was that this was the first time they had been able to talk to people who knew what they are talking about. They didn't have to explain ALS. It was the first time they had been very comfortable just being able to talk about what was going on.

We hope to continue with that program. The youth went away energized and actually have turned into a bit of a social media group. They are getting the word on ALS out through their Twitter and Internet community.

ALS Canada is a small health charity. We have 11 staff to run the organization. Our annual budget is slightly under $4 million, $2 million of which goes into research. We don't look for and don't receive government funding. We do the fundraising ourselves. We have a donor base that wants to see solutions, and consequently they are very generous.

We are a founding member of Neurological Health Charities Canada, the NHCC. Again, we applaud the government for funding of $15 million for the national population health study in neurological diseases.

I think that is almost the ten minutes.

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

It's almost the ten minutes, and you did very well.

8:55 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

David Cameron

Thank you very much.

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you so much, Mr. Cameron.

We'll now go to board member Nigel Van Loan, please.

8:55 a.m.

Nigel Van Loan Board Member, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

Thank you Madam Chair and good morning. My name is Nigel Van Loan. I want to thank you for inviting me here today.

I am a member of the ALS Society of Canada. I used to be the President of the ALS Society of Ontario. Why? Because in November 1999, my wife Patricia developed ALS. Our life as we knew it changed dramatically the day of her diagnosis.

I became a caregiver on that day, taking on an ever-increasing role as supporter and provider of moral and physical assistance to a loved one. Please note that I didn't use the word “burden”: that term has no place in describing the relationship that grows and exists between an afflicted person and her or his caregivers.

If there can be any good news in our story, it is that ALS progressed relatively slowly in Patricia, so that we had more time than most to adjust and arrange for the appropriate assists and aids to be in place in time to be of use. Conversely, recently I was aiding a gentleman here in Ottawa stricken by ALS, and his disease progressed so quickly that support equipment was arriving just before his deteriorating condition demanded moving on to the next level. That's ALS for you: no two cases alike.

It was of unbelievable help that Patricia was a qualified social worker who had spent much of the last 15 years supporting and caring for people with ALS and Alzheimer's. She was an expert in navigating and utilizing the very parts of the health care system upon which we had now become dependent. Thank goodness, because there is nothing more obscure, obtuse, and indecipherable than our current support system for longer-term, terminal diseases such as ALS. The medical model pursues cure as the holy grail, but is very weak on care.

This past weekend I attended the Canadian Hospice Palliative Care Conference here in Ottawa and was relieved to find a growing body of evidence that inroads are being made, that the benefits of the ethos of palliative care are spreading, albeit slowly, to those suffering from life-threatening and life-ending diseases, not only just at end-of-life, but soon after diagnosis, which can be months or years before death.

On a related note, although I can grudgingly admit that there are tiny signs of progress, it still seems to be beyond our ability to realize that providing proper home care would lessen the overall costs of the medical system, freeing up acute care beds for those truly in need of such care. But thanks to Patricia's knowledge and guidance to me, often necessary, we were able to make our way through her seven years of progressive debilitation with a good degree of quality of life and a bearable level of financial strain. She was able, as she so devoutly wished, to die peacefully at home in March 2007.

I have just referred to the issue of financial strain. Allow me, please, to reiterate that the inexorable progression of ALS necessitates an ever-increasing reliance on medical and technical devices for mobility, for communication, for breathing support, for nutrition, for bathing, and for medically qualified assistance. This especially impacts on those who choose to stay at home for most if not all of their journey. This is the choice made by nearly all of those stricken with ALS. After all, who would want to spend the predicted two to five years in a hospital setting, and there are few if any other options.

In annex A to our submission, there is a breakout of typical costs that can accrue for these supports. Although it varies by province, I must assure you that a large part of these costs are not supported by government programs at any level. In Ontario, as an example, we currently state that about $140,000 is the average financial load directly placed upon a typical family. Therefore, ALS Ontario runs an excellent equipment loan program that we were able to make use of for a lot of Patricia's needs, but we were still out of pocket for almost $80,000, especially including the costs of home adaptations--bathroom and wheelchair access renovations, and for a wheelchair-accessible van. Granted, some tax credit was available at year-end for me, since I had a military superannuation for income, but early into Pat's journey I had given up my role of consultant and the income that this provided. And, of course, because of my self-employed status, employment insurance wasn't available to me, either from the outset or after the provision was introduced for a few weeks of insurance payouts for compassionate care.

Not surprisingly, therefore, I heartily endorse suggestions such as the recent Liberal family care plan calling for a longer period of employment insurance benefits and for the creation of a companion program that is not solely based on employment. This can be crucial to ensuring that families can survive. Since ALS can extend for years, it would be advantageous to allow partial weeks over a longer period rather than blocks of weeks at a time. I call upon all parties to address these issues in their own platforms and proposals addressing the needs of families and caregivers.

Madam Chair, please allow me to segue to a related issue of care and support for veterans suffering from ALS.

Earlier I made mention of providing guidance to a gentleman whose disease progressed quite rapidly. His name was Brian Dyck. As a result of his spirit and commitment, he became the face of ALS throughout the past year in the national capital region.

I was introduced to Brian shortly after his diagnosis about a year ago and I quickly discovered that prior to becoming a police constable he had been a military medic for over ten years, including service in Kuwait during the first Gulf War. Because I had been extensively involved with our contribution to that war, I had been following the developments in the U.S. regarding their recognition that there was a probabilistic connection between military service in that action and the later onset of ALS. In fact the U.S. government in their wisdom had concluded from extensive statistical evidence that even though the cause could not yet be ascertained, military service anywhere increases the chances of developing ALS.

As a result, they had introduced the policy of presumption, which ensures that any serviceman or veteran who develops ALS and their family will be provided with proper benefits and support. Therefore I advised Brian to apply for a veteran's pension on the individual claim track, while concurrently working with the staff of ALS Canada to move on the collective issue of setting in place a policy in Canada similar to that of the U.S.

As you now know, there has been considerable progress here with all current cases of ALS claims within the Veterans Affairs program being smartly moved along. Brian received word of the success of his claim just a week before his death last month, and no doubt was greatly relieved to realize that the support of his wife and his two-year-old daughter was now assured.

This notable progress was made possible by the Prime Minister, the Minister of Veterans Affairs, the staff of Veterans Affairs Canada, including the ombudsman, and by many members of all parties, whose compassionate recognition of the need came to the fore.

You have heard that we seek an increase in the funding of neurological research in Canada--primarily by adding to the overstrained budget of CIHR--not only with an immediate $350 million boost, but also with a multi-year commitment.

Allow me in my final comments to put one new twist on this call. In my opening remarks I implied that I became an active supporter of the ALS Society and related activities because my wife developed the disease. Many can empathize with this view--help research to find hope and a cure for your loved one. And yes, that was there. But I've been around science and technology long enough to recognize that we had only just started down that road, that it would be a long one and would consume some considerable time in arriving even at an understanding of what was going on in a person with ALS, and a longer time to arrive at the doorstep of possible cures.

But I will stick it out for as long as I can, because my wife was one of the seven or eight percent of ALS patients who have an inherited form of the disease through a defective gene passed from her mother, who along with her three siblings developed ALS.

There are now proven, through research, to be several genes that can--perhaps along with some sort of trigger incident--lead to ALS. My children therefore have a 50 percent chance of having that happen, and my grandchildren share that risk. So I selfishly want to see research proceed apace.

Madam Chair, neurological diseases have commonalities. We do our own work, but we also always read about what is happening for other diseases such as Huntingdon's, Parkinson's or Alzheimer's because certain drugs that are effective for some diseases might also be effective in treating ALS. That is why we are not asking for resources specifically for ALS, but for research in general.

Finally, we encourage support for caregivers by increasing the number of weeks of compassionate care benefits under the federal employment insurance program and creating a parallel program to that of compassionate care benefits that is not based on employment.

Thank you for your attention and for allowing me to testify on such a personally important matter.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you, Mr. Van Loan.

We'll now go to François Gros-Louis.

9:05 a.m.

François Gros-Louis Assistant Professor; Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

Good morning.

My name is François Gros-Louis. I recently got an assistant professorship position at Université de Laval in Québec City.

First of all, I would like to thank all members of this committee for this opportunity to say a few words on ALS and on my research on this disease.

I will continue in French, but I will be happy to take any questions in either English or French.

My name is François Gros-Louis. I recently got an assistant professorship position at the Université Laval in Quebec City. Most of the research projects I have been involved in so far have been on ALS, which, as the previous speakers have mentioned, is an incurable neuro-degenerative disease. I did my doctoral degree at McGill University and it was mainly on the genetics of ALS. I then pursued my career by doing a post-doctoral internship at Dr. Jean-Pierre Julien's laboratory in Quebec City. At the time, I had received a number of offers from research labs in the United States and Europe, thanks in part to an initiative by ALS Canada, which, together with CIHR, the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, had set up a post-doctoral bursary program called the Tim E. Noël Fellowship in ALS Research. Having obtained that bursary, I decided to stay in Canada in order to devote my research to ALS and to the various patho-physiological mechanisms involved in this disease.

In Dr. Julien's lab we recently were the first to develop and demonstrate that a new therapeutic approach based on passive immunization through monoclonal antibodies that we have produced, could extend the survival of the animal models we were examining. It is still too soon to say whether the approach will effectively treat ALS patients. A number of points need to be clarified to properly understand all the biological determinants associated with this discovery and this potential treatment, but I believe that we have shown that it is important to continue to conduct fundamental and clinical research to identify, as we have done, not only new therapeutic approaches, but also the different causes of ALS and other neuro-degenerative diseases.

In most ALS cases, the causes are still unknown. Identifying the genetic and environmental risk factors associated with neuro-degenerative diseases and ALS is one of the first steps in properly understanding the biological aspects of these diseases. Understanding the different biological mechanisms will then allow us to develop, as we have done, new therapeutic approaches and to see if what we find in fundamental research can quickly be transposed to clinical research safely in order to treat patients.

I think this is an ideal time to invest in health research. Over the past few years, there have been a number of great discoveries including the human genome project, among others, and great technological advances that are becoming increasingly accessible to academic research labs. We now have the knowledge, technology and infrastructure because over the past few years, the government has made the necessary investment in research infrastructure through the Leaders Opportunity Fund or the CFI, the Canada Foundation for Innovation, for example. Now we just need research funding to keep these labs running effectively.

For most researchers, especially young investigators, it is really hard to get funding for innovative, crazy ideas we might have to pursue our research. We have good research infrastructure all across Canada. We now have access to new technologies, new molecular tools that were not previously available. So it is the perfect time to invest in health research to continue being world leaders in health research and neurological diseases in particular, as the Canadian population is growing old, and adult-onset diseases are increasing.

We are lacking the funding needed to appropriately carry out our research. Nobody would have thought until recently that immunization therapy in ALS would have led to beneficial effects. It was an innovative, crazy idea we had a few years ago, but it didn't get funding in the beginning. We had to wait a few years to get the necessary funding to continue our research. With more investment in health research we could have demonstrated earlier our immunization hypothesis in ALS.

Investing more funds in research also makes economic sense, not only for ALS research but across all neurological disciplines. Therapeutic targets can apply to a variety of neuro-degenerative diseases, and therapies developed for one disease can be applicable to others.

Investment in health research will not only pave the route for finding new therapeutic approaches, but will also keep high-paying research jobs in the country, which is critical in this economic climate. It will also maintain Canada's leadership role in health research excellence domestically and internationally, and keep pace with significant investment made by other countries, such as the United Kingdom, the U.S.A., Sweden, and Australia.

Thank you very much.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you very much. We appreciate your insight.

We'll now go to Sari Jormanainen for ten minutes.

9:15 a.m.

Sari Jormanainen Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

Thank you. Good morning.

Madam Chair, members, I'm Sari Jormanainen. I'm 45 years old and living in Ottawa with my husband Paul and our two daughters, who are nine and twelve. I was diagnosed with ALS in April 2010. The diagnosis took quite some time to come out, and after a long process of uncertainty we received the news. It broke our hearts.

My daughters have been extremely passionate about the cause of ALS and they wish me to push forward the idea of research. They have organized bake sales and done the things that young girls can do, but we all know that's not going to be enough. There needs to be a long-term commitment to research to find a cure, and that's what they are looking for. That's the hope we have.

For me, that may be too late, but there will be others coming after me who will need that. The WHO actually is looking at Canada and estimating that by 2040, neuro-degenerative diseases—not only ALS but the wider group of diseases—would overtake cancer as the leading cause of death.

I think my children are very wise. They are looking at the future and looking at investments in something that will pay back later.

ALS is merciless. The progression in my case is clear. Within a year, I have progressed from a slight limp in my right foot into using a cane walker and now mainly a chair. ALS has also started taking effect in my arms, hands, and throat. There is fatigue and tiredness because of the disease.

It has forced me to say goodbyes to a lot of things in my life. At first I thought that would be temporary, that things could be fixed. That is not the case. I used to work as an analyst and senior strategic planner. I've said goodbye to work. I have said goodbye to my sports life and most of my hobbies.

I do need help at home already with everyday activities. Life in our house has changed drastically. We have mobility aids. We have bathroom aids. We have people coming to the house to help out. We have made changes to the house. Some of these aids come from the ALS Society's loan cupboard, which is of great help. Some have been paid by us and are partially covered by our insurance. Some big ticket items we pay out of pocket because there is nothing we can use to pay for them. Such things include porch lifts. That is essential for me to get out of the house and down to the street level. Work was involved with that. We bought a second-hand portable shower because eventually I will move downstairs to the main floor, and I need to be able to take showers on that floor.

This is only the beginning; we know that. There will be the hospital bed. There will be breathing devices and so forth. We will need a toilet on the main floor. We haven't even started thinking about the transportation needs for me in the future. Of course, this is all on top of the fact that I used to be an earning member of society. Now there is no salary income for me, and I'm afraid the disability pension will not make up for that.

The big question for us is that we are still at the beginning of this road, this journey, and we are trying to proactively look for ways of making sure that I can stay home, that I can be taken care of, and at the same time that our family can look forward to the future. That means we are trying to protect some sort of normalcy for our children and not deprive them, allowing them to excel at what they do at school and in their hobbies. They need to have future prospects.

What does this mean? It means practically that my husband, my caregiver, my love, takes a lot of the new responsibilities on his shoulders. Our daughters chip in, but they're young and cannot be expected to take care of me. Eventually, when ALS progresses to its advanced stages, I will be totally dependent on somebody else's help. That means that my primary caregiver needs to be around all the time. The big question is, how can we organize that?

My family clearly indicates they want me to stay at home. I want to stay at home. Most probably my husband will need to take time off from work. Still, we need to live on income from somewhere to do that. Community care can help, but is limited. We can't burden our friends and family with providing basic care, so we come to the big question of the EI benefits and how they are going to help us out.

As Nigel was saying earlier, the period of dependency can be relatively long, and in the case of ALS it often is. Therefore, the six weeks of EI benefits are not going to be enough for us. We are already dipping into our savings, and we're only at the beginning of the road.

I would also like to recognize the family care platform that the Liberal Party has put forward. At the same time, I would like to challenge all parties to come forward with improved platforms for compassionate care, particularly in view of these diseases becoming more common in our society. I think it makes economic sense to try to help people stay at home.

At this point I would like to thank you for listening to quite a personal story, and I would like to invite you to ask any questions later, if you wish to.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you so much, Sari.

We will begin our questioning with a first round of seven minutes for questions and answers. We will begin with Dr. Duncan.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Jormanainen and Mr. Van Loan, for sharing something so personal.

I'm going to start with the financial side. Most people want to live at home; they want to be with their families. I think people need to understand the costs involved when families aren't supported. They're often forced to go into care. The cost of long-term care per year is about $200,000. A wheelchair is about $4,500. Power wheelchairs are $18,000 to $30,000.

I know that the provinces loan equipment. Ontario is loaning about 1,200 pieces of equipment, but the number of clients, as Ms. Jormanainen mentioned, is increasing by about 15%. The requests for equipment have increased by 67% since 2007, and the society does not receive government funding. I think 40% of ALS families live in poverty. You have the loss of two incomes, and spouses and children become the primary caregivers. Then you have home renovations.

My greatest concern is that we care for people and support the family. People living with ALS want to be heard. They want to be seen. They want to be contributing members of society, and their children need some sense of normalcy.

So what is the best way that we can support families to maintain their dignity and humanity?

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Who would like to respond to that?

Mr. Van Loan.

9:25 a.m.

Board Member, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

Nigel Van Loan

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I couldn't have said this better. Thank you very much.

You have all the latest numbers from ALS Ontario. I'm still the chairman of the support services committee, so I know these numbers by heart.

In truth, there is a phenomenal growth of demand for this equipment. I mentioned the ALS Ontario equipment pool earlier. There's over $2 million in capital value of equipment in our 14 depots that is shared. Even with that amount, it's not nearly enough, and therefore we're inundated with requests to buy more and more.

We just took on a donation from Veterans Affairs Canada. They are getting out of the equipment loan business and they provided all of their equipment to us. Even then, we had to go through and strip it down to those that were still usable. That won't nearly satisfy the need.

In my opinion, this whole thing has to be treated as a package for home care. That, as Sari said, and as I said earlier, is where the load is. People want to stay home. It is the least expensive option, versus acute care in a hospital. We need to make sure that home care budgets are adequate to the task of integrating the care, providing the equipment as and when required, and providing the medically qualified assistance at the time it is required.

In the case of my wife, she did not require any medically qualified assistance, right up to the final weeks of her life, because she never went for the breathing apparatus that requires 24-hour supervision. Others choose to go that route and they get into the place where they need around-the-clock care.

There was a gentleman, a deputy governor of the Bank of Canada, who suffered from this disease. Prior to his death, he estimated that the care the Bank of Canada provided for him totalled something in the order of $1.5 million—for around-the-clock care, to take him to the office to let him still work.

I'm not saying that's the required level for everyone. It is an expensive proposition, and we have to somehow get them coordinated into integrated home care. Unfortunately, it is largely a provincial matter.

I want to wave this plan because I helped develop it for this region of Ontario--the Champlain region. It's an integrated care pathway. That's how complicated it is to discuss all the issues required for the support of someone with ALS. If you had that sort of plan in hand across this country, you might well deliver the service when and where it's needed.

Thank you.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Does anyone else want to make comment on this?

Mr. Cameron.

9:25 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

David Cameron

Very briefly, to add to what Nigel has said, there is an urgency with respect to this whole issue, and it affects a lot of the folks in this room. It's the baby boom generation.

The statistical onset of ALS is in the 55 years to 70 years age range. While it's being diagnosed in younger people, statistically the large size is in that age range. We all know the baby boom bubble is moving along, and consequently the statistical likelihood of more diagnoses of ALS is imminent.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

I had the honour of being at ALS Ontario on Saturday, and they provided these figures. They've got a new campaign, and perhaps people can take a look at it. It's called “paralyzing poverty”, and it's worth taking a look at.

Ms. Jormanainen, the diagnosis is awful, and getting to a diagnosis is awful. What can be done to better support people through that diagnosis and afterwards?

9:30 a.m.

Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

Sari Jormanainen

It was very difficult to wait for the diagnosis. I have a wonderful family doctor, but he's never had an ALS patient, so he did not even really suspect ALS, and it wasn't until we got pretty far and got specialized doctors looking at my case that ALS even came into the picture. I would say that by the time of my diagnosis I had had some symptoms for about a year. Therefore, we knew that things were not right and we knew that something was going on. The children knew something was going on with mother.

It was very difficult to wait for that, and there was very little support during that time. Therefore, I very much support research that is being done—and I know there is some being done—in order to try to speed up that process, to find biomarkers or that sort of thing that could mark ALS or give a better indication of ALS.

Once the diagnosis was there, we were lucky, because we live in Ottawa and we have an ALS clinic here. It's a wonderful facility that supports the patient and the family. But of course their resources are limited as well. There is a regular follow-up to my condition and how it's developing.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Is there emotional support?

9:30 a.m.

Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

Sari Jormanainen

Yes, I'm getting there, because there are limitations that the clinic can't offer because of the number of patients. We have been lucky to access hospice services. It's only to talk about hospices as such, but I think “hospice” nowadays, as Nigel was saying, actually talks about palliative care, about issues that are coming up much earlier than before. We have in fact put our daughters in touch with a special family support person who is a psychologist and specialized in children and teenagers in this kind of situation. This is voluntary support. It's May Court. It's funded by us, citizens. We are seeing it as an important part of our team, because the girls will eventually start protecting their parents and not talking to us about the important difficult issues. They need those services outside. We are lucky because this is in our community, but I don't know how well such services are available elsewhere, for example, in areas where populations are more scattered.

It is difficult, and the one big piece is that ALS is changing all the time. Just now, when we have got used to this normal, a new normal, there will be a change and we have to readjust. And it means a readjustment for all of us in the family, and that is difficult.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you, Mrs. Jormanainen. We went way over time because it was important that we hear your answer, and I thank you for that.

Now we have Monsieur Malo.

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Luc Malo Bloc Verchères—Les Patriotes, QC

I thank all our witnesses for being here this morning. I have a few questions I would like to ask about the various presentations given today. I would like some clarifications.

First, Mr. Cameron, you spoke to us about special support for afflicted veterans and their families. I am just wondering whether this illness is more prevalent among veterans than in the rest of the population.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

David Cameron

We do not have Canadian data and we rely on the U.S. data. The integrity of the data that we might be able to pull out in Canada suffers from the fortunately small size of the community. But in the United States they originally saw anomalies after the first Gulf War and they saw a higher incidence of ALS in Gulf War veterans to the extent of something between 50% and 60% above the norm. They then did some further research outside the Gulf War and looked at military people in general, and looked at both combat and non-combat, going back as far as the Second World War. And again, the likelihood of ALS in the military community in the United States is somewhere around 50% higher than it is for you and me.

There are a lot of opinions and speculation about why that may be. The common one, of course, is that those involved in military service are exposed to environmental things that you and I are not. Maybe it's a predisposition and it's triggered by the environmental conditions. But the good news is that Veterans Affairs in the United States saw the relationship, and notwithstanding that there wasn't a cause-and-effect component, they went with this presumption and made that decision. And that has now been moved over, thankfully, to Veterans Affairs Canada.

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Luc Malo Bloc Verchères—Les Patriotes, QC

Are there studies being conducted to determine if there is a causal link or, more specifically, why the prevalence of this disease, as you mentioned, is 50% higher among veterans than in the rest of the population?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Society of Canada

David Cameron

There are no studies of which I am aware in Canada, at this point, although we do have a clinical trials network in Canada. ALS Canada was part of the catalyst to bring it together. So there are 15 ALS clinics across Canada that are now just about ready to launch the third clinical trial in the last two and a half years. The folks on the research side at Veterans Affairs Canada are in contact with the folks in this clinical trials network in Canada, so there is a dialogue going on that I'm aware of that will explore what you're talking about at some point.

At this juncture, we don't know all the veterans who have ALS. Veterans Affairs Canada has indicated 37 or 39 open files at this point. There may be more who have not applied. And since this good news came out from Minister Blackburn, there's a heightened awareness among the military community and they're contacting my office and other ALS offices to find out more. So there will be a growing cohort in Canada, but it's still a small group in the scheme of a clinic trial.

As to whether or not there's anything going on in the U.S., I don't know. I can find out that information and pass it on to the clerk.