It's your colleagues. I don't understand what they don't understand about debate.
The other thing about Mr. Godin is that he says a point of order takes precedence. It does; it takes precedence. When he says “point of order”, it cuts into debate and you must deal with the point of order.
My point, Chair, is that most of his points of order are not points of order; they are points of debate, and there is--