We're currently discussing something which should be discussed in camera. Either we sit in camera, or the debate is public. If the debate remains public, I'd ask that the clerk not testify from his seat. He'll have to go and testify over there because what he said is serious. Don't forget they want to send a subpoena, and as a result, his testimony would become the very basis for summoning Mr. Bernard Lord to testify. That's what I want to know. There's a big difference between saying that you decline an invitation and indicating that you don't have any availability. The NDP wants to have him appear. We're no longer talking about the same thing.
