Evidence of meeting #19 for Official Languages in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was students.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Normand Labrie  Associate Dean, Research and Graduate Studies, Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, University of Toronto
Bernadette Kassi  Director, Arts Module, Department of Language Studies, Université du Québec en Outaouais
Stephen Owen  Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Pierre Lemieux Conservative Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Perhaps I'll answer some of Monsieur Godin's concerns.

First, as we're doing this study, we learn of new witnesses as we go. That's what's happened here. What's particularly interesting about this witness is that they have a specific program that responds to the very question Mr. Chong raised at the start of this whole study when he asked what the universities were doing to prepare their graduates for the public service.

Here we have a college that actually offers a course that prepares people for the public service. It's an extremely good alignment. That's why I'm proposing it. I'm not suggesting that we bring in lots more witnesses. We have spent a good amount of time, and we're conducting a thorough study, but here is a college that actually has a course that directly addresses what Mr. Chong raised as a concern when we all agreed that this would be a good study.

Second, I don't think there's anything to prevent the analyst from preparing the report on all the witnesses we've heard so far. There's work to be done there, and it's going to take him time to do it. Then, if we have this witness come for one short meeting, we can ask questions and just modify the report at the end. It could be done through an appendix; there are many ways it could be done. But we don't have to hold off the whole report, Mr. Chair, in order to have this extra witness. The preparation of the report can start now.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Mr. Petit, you wanted to speak on this subject. Then I'm going to have to suspend, but we can resume the discussion after hearing our witness.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

This study, proposed by Mr. Chong, is very important. We're talking about the future of the public service here. We constantly complain about the fact that there aren't enough francophones or bilingual anglophones. The recommendations of the report that we are going to prepare will perhaps guide the future of the public service. We may be around at that time, but we also may not be. That's of no importance. Approximately 25% of employees will be replaced. This report cannot stay on the shelves because it is factual. It will come out of the shadows once the public service begins to renew.

I support Mr. Lemieux's motion. No one had told us what Mr. Labrie did before today. I would like to know what's being done at Glendon College, particularly since we have the time.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

All right, perfect. Thank you, Mr. Petit.

I'm told our witness is ready. We're going to start right away.

I invite you to stay with us if you want to attend this part of our meeting. You're welcome. Please feel comfortable.

Now I will turn the microphone over to the west coast. We have the privilege of having the Hon. Stephen Owen, vice-president for external, legal, and community relations of the University of British Columbia.

Hello, Mr. Owen. Can you hear me?

10:30 a.m.

Stephen Owen Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Good morning. I can hear you very well.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Okay. I will invite you to proceed with your opening statement. I think you're familiar with this procedure, aren't you?

10:35 a.m.

Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Stephen Owen

Yes, I've been in a few committees.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Okay. Let's start, then. Thank you.

10:35 a.m.

Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Stephen Owen

Thank you for giving me and our university the opportunity to present to you some of the details of our second language and multiple language training programs. Let me first say, to the original question concerning the extent to which UBC receives funding from the federal government, that we received in the last fiscal year $215 million, which was mostly in research funds. That comprises approximately 12% of the operating budget of the university. The operating budget is about $1.8 billion, and the federal government contribution, mostly for research, is about $215 million.

We have a number of programs that deal with official language minority communities. I suppose it won't surprise people to know that many of the minority communities looking for training in English or French on the west coast, and certainly in Vancouver, are people of an Asian first language. There are a large number of programs provided, both through our downtown campus in the downtown east side, a very poor area of the inner city, as well as through our continuing studies department, of English as a second language. There are some very informal programs assisting people who are new immigrants in the community that have facilitators who are also part of that immigrant community teaching these immigrants as facilitators to learn English.

In our continuing studies program for French as a second language, we also have people not taking formal courses for credit at university but taking them through continuing studies. We have about 1,000 students a year learning French as a second language through those programs. There are also courses put on called “French in the Workplace” to assist people who do not have facility in English or in French but who are working in a bilingual situation, again through continuing studies. There is a French centre, which that department runs, that brings people together informally for French films, French language conversation, French cultural exchanges. All of that is done through the less formal continuing studies department.

Our major way of presenting French language training in a formal degree type of situation is through a department in the Faculty of Arts, the Department of French, Hispanic and Italian Studies. About 5,000 French language students a year go through those programs at the bachelor, master, and Ph.D. levels.

The Faculty of Education also works to develop French certificate programs during the summers, either between degrees or as teachers on their summer breaks take French language training so that they're prepared to teach French as a second language in the schools. We also have an exchange program called “Go Global”. It has 13 French universities, including four in Quebec, as exchange universities from which students can come here to learn English or to which they can go to learn French.

Of areas in which we're looking to expand, the most important involves the concept of learning French across the curriculum, so that rather than simply teaching French as a language, we are attempting to increase the number of courses, across the whole range of courses at the university, that can be taught in French. We are very pleased and somewhat surprised at the thousands of students at the University of British Columbia who are bilingual and are able to take courses directly in French. We think we have professors in the hundreds who can teach. We're trying to construct a French curriculum in French, not just to let students learn the French language. This will lead to a bilingual degree, which could be in biology or law or medicine, as we develop that program further.

We're also extremely interested, harking back to the comment I heard made just before I began, in preparing students for bilingual work in the public service. We are very much aware that this is an area of growing demand, and we see the demand growing among students as well. Our expectation is that our French language training will only be increasing over the next few years as that demand comes, and university courses are somewhat demand-driven.

Given that situation, I would like to comment on the general population of UBC. Almost half the student body is of Asian descent of some type. Often we have students coming who have to do preparatory English language training to be able to get into degree-granting courses and programs at the university. In that regard, I might say that the largest Japanese and Mandarin language programs in North America are at the University of British Columbia.

In conclusion, Mr. Chair, we also have an intensive program in aboriginal languages. These are very restorative, in that many of the rich languages of the Pacific northwest have almost died out. Where there still is a flicker of use and knowledge of the language, we are trying to capture it in a research way and then develop programs for students from those communities to actually learn to speak their native languages.

Those are my opening remarks, Mr. Chair. I'd be happy to receive comments or questions.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Owen. Your comments regarding the demand-driven aspect among your students with respect to the public service are similar to what was discussed just prior to your comments.

We'll move on with three-minute rounds, starting with Mr. Rodriguez.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Good morning, Mr. Owen. It's good to see you.

10:40 a.m.

Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Stephen Owen

It's very nice to see you.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I'm with my colleague Dominic LeBlanc, who says hi. He's quite surprised you're up that early in B.C.

10:40 a.m.

Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Stephen Owen

Well, it's not my habit to be up this early.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thanks for being there. It's around 7:30 a.m.

I only have three minutes. I want to know whether your university is involved or consulted with regard to the organization of the Olympics.

10:40 a.m.

Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Stephen Owen

Yes, it is. In fact, as part of my portfolio, we have a 2010 Olympic and Paralympic secretariat. We're not working directly with the Vancouver Olympic Committee, but we do a large amount of research into the impact of the Olympic Games. We have maybe 20 professors who are researching social and economic and environmental impacts. We also have one of the large venues for the Olympics on campus.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Does that include official languages? Do you discuss official languages with them?

10:40 a.m.

Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Stephen Owen

Yes. Through our French resources at the university, we're providing translation to the Vancouver Olympic Committee. We are also dealing with other languages, because we will be having, of course, visitors from all over the world.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Is there a link between the university and the francophone community? I met with them last week when we were at the convention in Vancouver. I was wondering whether there is a formal or informal link between the university and

the Fédération des francophones de la Colombie-Britannique,

or other organizations?

10:40 a.m.

Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Stephen Owen

I'm not sure of the degree of formality of the link, but the French centre that I mentioned has been established in order to provide opportunities for interaction between the university community and the francophone community in the Vancouver area.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

As a very quick general question, what's the future of French in B.C.?

10:40 a.m.

Vice-President, External, Legal and Community Relations, University of British Columbia

Stephen Owen

I think it's very bright. We have to realistically understand that we are not close to large French-speaking communities, but there's a great mobility of British Columbians, and particularly, as mentioned, the opportunities in public service are being appreciated more and more. I think this will continue to increase the demand for French language training at the university.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thank you. That's all the time I had. It was a pleasure discussing this with you.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Rodriguez. That was very well done.

We'll continue with Mr. Nadeau.

10:40 a.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

Good morning, Mr. Owen.

Incidentally, say hello to Alain Vigneault from me. He's a former head coach of the Gatineau Olympiques. It would be nice to see the Canucks win the Stanley Cup this year.

Mr. Owen, do you believe the best way for individuals to learn French as a second language is to start at primary and secondary school, or at university?