Evidence of meeting #20 for Official Languages in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was immigrants.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Howard Duncan  Executive Head, Metropolis Project, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Julie Boyer  Deputy Executive Head, Metropolis Project, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Jean Léger  Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse
Donald Kenny  Member, Campus Director, Université Sainte-Anne, Halifax Campus, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse
Jean-Marie Nadeau  President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick
Anne-Lise Blin  Coordinator, Francophone Immigration, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

10:35 a.m.

Executive Head, Metropolis Project, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Howard Duncan

Briefly, what I would suggest is that communities take seriously their efficacy here: that they're not victims of larger social forces, but that communities can effect change themselves. If one of the changes they want to effect is to bring about a stronger feeling of unity or sense of common belonging in their community, large or small, this is something they can do.

Now, is there federal help available? Well, there's a myriad of programs to which they could apply for funding, but I think the important point is that even a city as large as Toronto is able to take it upon itself to declare that diversity is its strength and to act on that, and in my view and the view of the researchers at Metropolis, with a lot of success.

This same sort of attitude could be taken in very small communities just as well. But what is very important for this particular topic is that we all recognize how mobile people are, how many options people have, and how well acquainted they are with those options.

There is a certain competition here for workers, and urbanization is winning that competition right now. The efficacy that's in communities needs to be accepted, realized, and acted upon.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Weston.

We'll now move to Monsieur Bélanger.

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

I am going to have myself “Acadianized”, Mr. Nadeau.

10:40 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

Well, we really like Franco-Ontarians.

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

I would like to quickly come back to the question of targets. In your brief, you say that 5% of immigrants to New Brunswick are Francophone, one third of the population is French-speaking.

What does the SANB intend to do, Mr. Nadeau, to ensure that the current level rises to at least one third? Are you satisfied with one third or do you think it should be a little higher for a certain period of time?

10:40 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

We really like the approach taken in Nova Scotia, which is to aim higher to be sure to at least achieve the target. What we have really reacted most to is the fact that so far, our government has had no such concern, in terms of targets for Francophones, in its own immigration policies. It looks as though immigration is possibly seen as a threat, whereas we should, on the contrary, see it as an opportunity. So, we are clearly aiming for a rate of 33%, but we are not under any illusion. We will get to work on this, and it may be easier to discuss it three years from now, if we are able to achieve it.

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Mr. Léger and Mr. Nadeau, I would like to hear from both of you.

As I recall, the plan developed by the community and Immigration and Citizenship Canada currently sets a target of about 1.9%. The idea is to raise that to 4.2% by 2025, that being the percentage of the Francophone population outside Quebec. But in my opinion, that is much too late.

I realize this is not something that can be accomplished in two or three years, but we're talking about 15 years to reach the current level. I would like to know whether you agree with those targets and whether you were consulted when they were being developed.

10:40 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

We may have been, but I have been with the SANB for a year and a half and heard nothing about them.

Jean has been around a lot longer.

June 3rd, 2010 / 10:40 a.m.

Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse

Jean Léger

A community member sits on the national committee. The issue was addressed in that forum. When the number came out, however, I was not at all satisfied, Mr. Bélanger. I think it's far too low to stimulate any renewal. In terms of changing it and how it was negotiated in Ottawa at the committee, I really don't know. But to be completely frank, it is inadequate.

I would like to come back to one point. Immigration in Canada falls under federal jurisdiction, does it not?

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

It is an area of shared jurisdiction.

10:40 a.m.

Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse

Jean Léger

It's shared, but as I understand it, it is ultimately the federal government's responsibility, according to Canada's Constitution. In that case, why is the Government of Canada letting the communities fight with the provinces to secure minimum percentages? Why, when it signs an agreement with the province, does the federal government not remind it that there is an official languages clause and dictate a specific percentage?

At present, our small communities are knocking on the province's door, but it is the federal government's responsibility to set the numbers. That is how the recommendation should be made.

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Mr. Léger, thank you very much for that excellent comment. I think the committee should take a closer look at this.

10:40 a.m.

Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you very much, Mr. Bélanger.

Mr. Godin, please.

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I want to apologize for having had to leave the room earlier. I was needed in Parliament.

Mr. Léger, you wrote to Ms. Ambrose requesting support for the Acadian and Francophone community. You said in your letter that you would like to meet with Mr. Ken Swain. According to your letter, he was designated the most senior official in Nova Scotia. You have been trying to meet with him since 2009. Did you ever succeed?

10:45 a.m.

Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse

Jean Léger

No, we have never been able to arrange a meeting, nor did we receive a letter from the Minister updating us on the situation. We received an acknowledgement, but no official date for a meeting.

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

It's not bad enough that the community has to fight with the province to get numbers. In addition, it has to fight with the federal government to secure a meeting with officials in Nova Scotia.

10:45 a.m.

Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse

Jean Léger

I see that as a lack of respect on the part of the federal government for the communities—communities which are recognized by that same federal government. There are official language communities and they are recognized as such. We are funded by Canadian Heritage. We enjoy a certain recognition.

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Be careful: they might cut your funding. Don't say too much.

10:45 a.m.

Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse

Jean Léger

It's difficult. It certainly is with Immigration Canada. In Nova Scotia, departmental management is exclusively Anglophone. One person speaks French. Other than that, however, there is minimal capacity within the department.

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

It's too divisive.

10:45 a.m.

Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

It's too divisive. Bilingualism is too divisive.

10:45 a.m.

Executive Director, Fédération acadienne de la Nouvelle-Écosse

Jean Léger

The fact is, though, that the linguistic capacity of many departments, including CIC, in Nova Scotia, and probably in other provinces, is not adequate to really support the community.

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

We were talking about support for newcomers earlier. That is very important. We also talked about jobs, and people arriving here without a job. I want to commend you for focusing on that. When you take a taxi to go to the airport in Ottawa, for example, you realize that the taxi drivers are almost all engineers, technicians or that sort of things. It is simply unacceptable that they are still driving taxis. And you have made recommendations that deal with that. As I see it, the credentials and skills of immigrants coming to this country have to be recognized. It's fine to have immigrants come here, but we don't want them to go on welfare once they're here.