Evidence of meeting #44 for Official Languages in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was dawson.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

André Bourcier  President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon
Isabelle St-Gelais  Director, Garderie du petit cheval blanc, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon
Julie Leclerc  Board Member, Centre de la Francophonie à Dawson
Sylvie Geoffroy  President, Espace France-Yukon
Martin Guilbeault  Chairman of the Board, Garderie du petit cheval blanc, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon
Lorraine Taillefer  Executive Director, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon
Marie-Ève Owen  Member, Centre de la Francophonie à Dawson

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

I'm not certain, but in Ontario, I believe all schools receive a certain amount per student. Is it the same thing in the Yukon?

8:30 p.m.

President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

André Bourcier

No, the Ministry of Education provides services to the school directly. So, everything is calculated by the Ministry of Education and the services are provided directly to the schools.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

So, there is really no incentive to recruit more students. In our schools, the principals want more students, because they receive more money per capita.

8:30 p.m.

President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

André Bourcier

There is no financial incentive, but we believe in this. We have many different reasons to want to increase our numbers.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Lauzon. You're right: it does work on a per capita basis. The more students a school has, the more money it receives. That is not the case here?

8:30 p.m.

Executive Director, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

Lorraine Taillefer

It's a proportional calculation, meaning that the more students there are, the more staff we have.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

So, it does have an effect on the staff numbers.

8:30 p.m.

President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

André Bourcier

In small schools like ours, it's complicated. At the high school level, for example, it works on the basis of groups of 20 students. Therefore, if that number is not achieved at certain levels, it gets complicated.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

I've heard the acronym SOFA mentioned several times today. Could you tell me what organization it refers to, please?

8:30 p.m.

President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

André Bourcier

It's the Service d'orientation et de formation des adultes.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Is that a service under the Yukon government?

8:30 p.m.

President, Espace France-Yukon

Sylvie Geoffroy

No, not the Yukon; it's through the Centre de la francophonie.

8:30 p.m.

President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

André Bourcier

And the AFY.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Perfect; thank you.

I would just like to mention to everyone here that Mr. Yann Herry of Espace France-Yukon has just joined us. Welcome.

We will finish off our fourth round with Mr. Godin.

8:30 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Thank you.

You say there are 125 Francophones in Dawson?

8:30 p.m.

Board Member, Centre de la Francophonie à Dawson

8:30 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

But according to the statistics, there aren't any?

8:30 p.m.

Board Member, Centre de la Francophonie à Dawson

Julie Leclerc

No, there aren't any.

February 7th, 2011 / 8:30 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

So how then did the school board… Is it the Yukon government saying that or the federal government?

8:30 p.m.

President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

André Bourcier

As I said earlier, it's the Government of Canada.

8:30 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

It looks like the long-form census may not have been mandatory for quite some time now.

8:30 p.m.

President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

André Bourcier

It's one in five. In Dawson, if there are 125 Francophones, we need to be able to identify 25. If we identify 10, that changes the result.

8:35 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Yes, but when there is a census, it's clear that there are Francophones.

8:35 p.m.

President, Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon

André Bourcier

Not when the rule is one in five.

8:35 p.m.

Member, Centre de la Francophonie à Dawson

Marie-Ève Owen

Not necessarily, because when you don't have access to services in French in health care centres, at the post office, and so on, they say the language of communication is English. So, that is the way Statistics Canada assesses them.