Evidence of meeting #76 for Official Languages in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was students.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jennifer Adams  Director of Education, Ottawa-Carleton District School Board
Justin Morrow  Founder and Executive Director, Canadian Youth for French
Calina Ellwand  Member of the Board of Directors, Canadian Youth for French

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

I want to tell you something. If you want to motivate your students to keep at it, let them know that this committee has made a recommendation to the House of Commons that from this day forward and forever there will be 10 leadership positions that answer to Parliament, where it is mandatory that they be bilingual. Never again are we going to have an auditor general who is not bilingual the day he starts work. So make sure that dropout rate goes down.

In the city of Ottawa there are about 120,000 residents who, like me, were born in a French-speaking milieu and who by the force of events came to speak and understand both languages, and so are bilingual. There are 120,000 of us, but did you know that in Ottawa there are 180,000 of you anglophones who also understand and speak both languages? That, to a great measure, is to the credit of your school board. Your school board has been in this business from day one. I think that Le Phare Elementary School was probably the first one. I remember the leaders of the day.

In the way you use language, French and English, not one of us is French or English. We're all Canadians. We are French speaking or English speaking, or in the end bilingual, but we're not French and English.

I said what I wanted to say.

Mr. Morrow, I found your experience rather interesting. You said you did not go to a French immersion school—you know, in France they do not use the word immersion; they use the word “plongée”—dive. So, where did you learn to speak French?

4:35 p.m.

Founder and Executive Director, Canadian Youth for French

Justin Morrow

At 24 years old, I was recruited to play football at Université Laval.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

Really?

4:35 p.m.

Founder and Executive Director, Canadian Youth for French

Justin Morrow

And so I started to learn French.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

So you were good at football and at French too.

4:35 p.m.

Founder and Executive Director, Canadian Youth for French

Justin Morrow

I wasn't bad at football and I was terrible at French.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

Is that so?

4:35 p.m.

Founder and Executive Director, Canadian Youth for French

Justin Morrow

When I started, yes, but three years later—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

But the young women in Quebec must have taught you French, didn't they?

4:35 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

4:35 p.m.

Founder and Executive Director, Canadian Youth for French

Justin Morrow

Let's just say that Mr. Gourde knows what I think about that.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

In any case...

Now you are a leader in Toronto to advocate for—

4:35 p.m.

Founder and Executive Director, Canadian Youth for French

Justin Morrow

Now I live in Winnipeg. I am from southern Ontario, just outside of London. However, the organization is based in Winnipeg.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

Is there a bookstore in Winnipeg that sells French books?

4:35 p.m.

Founder and Executive Director, Canadian Youth for French

Justin Morrow

I think there are two.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Joyce Bateman Conservative Winnipeg South Centre, MB

Yes, there are two of them.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Royal Galipeau Conservative Ottawa—Orléans, ON

I should have asked my colleague that question.

Thank you very much, Mr. Morrow.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Mr. Galipeau.

Mr. Dion, you have the floor.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

Thank you Mr. Chair.

Ms. Adams, Mr. Morrow and Ms. Ellwand, I would like each of you to put aside your notes, look us in the eye and repeat for us each of your recommendations as you would like them to appear in our report. I told the government team that recommendations were made to us and that we must listen to them.

Go ahead please.

4:35 p.m.

Director of Education, Ottawa-Carleton District School Board

Dr. Jennifer Adams

My first recommendation is that it is absolutely essential that the federal government continue to provide official languages funding to the provinces to ensure that they can offer quality immersion programs and core programs throughout the country.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

For the core programs?

4:35 p.m.

Director of Education, Ottawa-Carleton District School Board

Dr. Jennifer Adams

For the core programs and for the immersion programs.

My second recommendation, and I don't know if you heard about this before, is that there needs to be some kind of measure in order to evaluate language proficiency. If we want to be able to say how many students are bilingual after completing our programs and what level they're at, we need a common method of measurement to do so.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

That means students' language proficiency needs to be evaluated at the end of high school.

4:35 p.m.

Director of Education, Ottawa-Carleton District School Board

Dr. Jennifer Adams

That's right.

I want to clearly distinguish between the role of the provinces and that of the federal government. The federal government could initiate the dialogue to determine an action plan that could be used throughout the country. Following that, the provinces could decide if they want to implement it at the end of grade 12 or not.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

Excellent.