Evidence of meeting #43 for Official Languages in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was departments.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Carl Trottier  Assistant Deputy Minister, Governance, Planning and Policy Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Carsten Quell  Director, Policy and Legislation, Treasury Board Secretariat

12:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Governance, Planning and Policy Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carl Trottier

The staff was larger before.

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Director, Policy and Legislation, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carsten Quell

The team was bigger prior to 2006.

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Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

How many people were there?

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Director, Policy and Legislation, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carsten Quell

I would have to check.

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Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

A lot more or just slightly more?

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Director, Policy and Legislation, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carsten Quell

Let's just say that the team operated differently. The direction we've taken is to make the departments responsible and to build on the support we have across the 200 institutions subject to the act. Each of them has at least one person responsible for official languages, a champion. The big departments have entire teams. The idea was to focus on giving those people tools, since they are the ones working on official languages and the ones most familiar with their department's operational reality.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Do you have the resources you need to do your job? Were you better off before? Did you have an easier time doing your job before?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Governance, Planning and Policy Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carl Trottier

We have what we need to do our work.

During our briefing—

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Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Despite the—

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Governance, Planning and Policy Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carl Trottier

We have diverging views, and I really don't want there to be any misunderstanding with the committee, which I have the utmost respect for. I want to provide the committee members with whatever information I can. You are asking us to operate in a way that does not line up with what Treasury Board asks of us. That is the constraint I'm under.

I operate however the Treasury Board dictates. I am bound by that. I am able to satisfy the Treasury Board's requirements with my 22 or 23 employees. We see ongoing improvement being made. Earlier, we briefly talked about the figures from 2004 to 2015. Things continue to improve. The results are positive. I simply don't have the framework you are asking me to apply.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Very well. Thank you.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Mr. Choquette, you may go ahead.

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NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

No, it's okay.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Very good.

Okay. If there's nothing further—

Yes, Mr. Choquette?

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NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

On second thought, yes, I would like to say something. I'll make it very quick.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Go ahead, Mr. Choquette.

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NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Job postings are still a concern for me. We talked about them. You indicated that we would likely see some results from the working group in the spring.

Would you mind sharing the working group's results with the committee?

12:50 p.m.

Director, Policy and Legislation, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carsten Quell

No, of course not. During the technical briefing, we would be pleased to tell you about all our activities.

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NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Will there be a written report?

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Director, Policy and Legislation, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carsten Quell

We've held three meetings, I believe. I can't speak for the commissioner's office. We expect to identify potential solutions come the spring. We can definitely share that with you.

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NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Your working group won't be writing a report?

12:50 p.m.

Director, Policy and Legislation, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carsten Quell

We haven't yet decided what form the report will take. We are at the data collection stage. That said, a report will certainly be produced. Potential solutions need to be laid out. That will come from the group's work.

12:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Governance, Planning and Policy Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carl Trottier

We could share the information we collect with you.

12:50 p.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

The important thing is that you let the committee know once you've completed the work. Then, we will invite you to share your findings with us.

12:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Governance, Planning and Policy Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Carl Trottier

Of course.