Evidence of meeting #53 for Official Languages in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was jazz.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Rheault  Senior Director, Government Affairs and Community Relations, Air Canada
Arielle Meloul-Wechsler  Vice President, Human Resources, Air Canada
Serge Corbeil  Director, Government Relations, Western Region, Air Canada
Chantal Dugas  General Manager, Linguistic Affairs and Diversity, Air Canada
Marie-Josée Pagé  Flight Attendant, Head of the Francization Committee , Air Canada Component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4091
Francis Manfredi  In-Charge Flight Attendant, Air Canada
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Christine Holke
Lucie Lecomte  Committee Researcher

1:20 p.m.

Flight Attendant, Head of the Francization Committee , Air Canada Component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4091

Marie-Josée Pagé

When I said hot, I may have meant something else. I wanted to say touchy.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

“Touchy” and “hot” are basically the same.

1:20 p.m.

Flight Attendant, Head of the Francization Committee , Air Canada Component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4091

Marie-Josée Pagé

Okay, we're in agreement.

As I said, the mindset in western Canada is different. I'm talking about people who were hired a very long time ago and who are now 50, 60 and almost 70 years old. I meant to say that, culturally, the need to speak French and so forth is fairly recent. We're working very hard.

I want to stay positive and to try to encourage people to get involved. They have skills, such as a level four in French. We can't, from one day to the next, remove them from the list of employees who speak French because their French is no longer good. The company pays for courses for employees, except they need to work fewer hours to be able to take the courses. Often, they have children and they need to pay for daycare, so it's not free.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Denis Paradis

Ms. Lapointe, I'll give you the floor to talk about the same topic.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I'll continue along the same lines.

Earlier, I asked the Air Canada representatives how the Government of Canada could help them recruit bilingual people in primarily unilingual areas. How can the government address this?

1:20 p.m.

Flight Attendant, Head of the Francization Committee , Air Canada Component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4091

Marie-Josée Pagé

I'm not sure the problem is that Air Canada has trouble recruiting francophones. There are people who speak French.

People have an idea of a flight attendant's job that doesn't mesh with reality. In the beginning, it's very difficult. A bilingual person may have more assignments. When you're a bilingual flight attendant, it's difficult to start with a very low salary, and to work on Christmas, New Year's Day, your birthday or your mother's birthday. In the first five years, you're never there. The young people who are starting today live with seven or eight other people in an apartment because they don't have much money and they're always gone. I'm not talking about the ground agents, but about the people in my group. Bilingualism isn't the only issue. It's very difficult to recruit these types of people.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

How could the government address this?

1:20 p.m.

Flight Attendant, Head of the Francization Committee , Air Canada Component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4091

Marie-Josée Pagé

I don't know. It could create a pool.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Okay.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

René Arseneault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Do you mean a pool of employees?

1:20 p.m.

Flight Attendant, Head of the Francization Committee , Air Canada Component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4091

Marie-Josée Pagé

Yes, a pool of bilingual people who are interested in working in the hotel or travel industry.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Recruitment or promotion could be done.

1:20 p.m.

Flight Attendant, Head of the Francization Committee , Air Canada Component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4091

Marie-Josée Pagé

Yes. It would be good to have a pool of employees.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Thank you.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Denis Paradis

On behalf of the committee, thank you for appearing this morning and for shedding light on the topic.

1:20 p.m.

Flight Attendant, Head of the Francization Committee , Air Canada Component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 4091

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

René Arseneault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Thank you as well for your honesty.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Denis Paradis

Before I adjourn the meeting, Ms. Boucher has asked to speak.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

An incident happened earlier that makes me a bit uncomfortable, but I won't go into the details.

Our committee works very well and we all work together. I would never allow our committee or a member of this committee to be verbally insulted. I want there to be a rule of conscience here stating that if this ever happens again, the people concerned must leave the meeting.

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Denis Paradis

Is that okay?

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

René Arseneault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Yes.

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Denis Paradis

Okay, it's noted. In the future, I won't be as tolerant as I was today.

1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

I hope so, because you'll see Ms. Boucher from up close, and I'll be the one who gets sent out!

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Denis Paradis

Wait a minute. We have a few motions to adopt.

1:25 p.m.

Voices

We'll say hello.