Evidence of meeting #103 for Official Languages in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was drouin.

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9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Every MP is proud of their riding. If an MP did not say that their riding was the most beautiful in Canada, that would be a problem. Bellechasse is a very beautiful place. It’s very similar to my riding, Kings—Hants. There, you’ll find many farms, and you’ll find communities and very rural villages. I spent three weeks in the small village of Saint‑Gervais—perhaps my colleagues from Quebec know it—where 99% of the people speak French. For a very young athlete, this kind of French immersion was a great opportunity to learn the French language, because all of my conversations were in French.

I will link this with the motion. It’s important to preserve and promote the French language in Quebec, of course, but also throughout Canada. We must encourage anglophones and people with no connection to the French language to improve their knowledge of French. We have to make sure that all those efforts are deployed throughout the country.

My colleague Mr. Serré proudly represents northern Ontario, and Mr. Drouin is also a proud francophone MP. I have seen his efforts in that context. Because I am a Liberal MP, I have had several conversations with Mr. Drouin, who is a champion of the French language. Specifically, he holds the position of president of the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie, which is impressive. His duties include promoting the French language around the world, including in Ontario, in Quebec, throughout Canada and other countries where French is spoken.

It is therefore necessary for me to give my opinion regarding the motion: It’s a squabble, a personal attack. As Mr. Serré or Mr. Samson said, the vote is over for the presidency of the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie. Every member of the assembly has their own opinion and has the right to vote. The majority of the assembly’s members voted for Mr. Drouin to keep his position. That part of the motion is therefore incorrect and no longer necessary. I think every MP, especially francophone MPs, as well as those who represent francophone ridings throughout Canada and Quebec, should reconsider their position. We have to decide if it’s necessary to continue with this witch hunt, if I’m using the right expression.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

That’s the right expression.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Okay.

Their goal was therefore to use parliamentarians’ time to keep talking about this motion. I am one of Mr. Drouin’s colleagues, and I find the way MPs behaved to be completely incomprehensible, especially after the fact. Of course, there’s always partisanship in the House of Commons and sometimes even here, at parliamentary committees. However, the show is over and now we have to come back to the necessary work of improving the situation of the French language and official languages throughout Canada.

Mr. Chair, we are both very proud MPs from the Maritimes and I congratulate you for chairing the Standing Committee on Official Languages. You know the importance of Bill C‑49, which seeks to amend the Atlantic Accords. I recently sat on the Standing Committee on Natural Resources. There is a link between the motion we’re discussing and the way certain MPs take the floor. The Atlantic Accords are a source of pride for us in Nova Scotia, as well as Newfoundland and Labrador, of course. When oil was found in the Atlantic Ocean, there was a certain amount of concern, because we weren’t sure who, between the federal government and that of Newfoundland and Labrador, would be responsible for the resource.

I will now explain how it is all connected to the motion. Yesterday, Bill C‑49 passed at third reading stage, and I thank every MP who voted for it to be sent to the Senate. The Premier of Nova Scotia, Mr. Houston, clearly expressed his support for the bill. The Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Furey, was also very clear when he said it was necessary to pass the bill, because it’s the counterpart to provincial legislation. When the legislation is amended in Ottawa, provinces have to amend their own legislation as well. In this case, it’s the St. John’s and Halifax legislative assemblies.

I was a member of the Standing Committee on Natural Resources, and our natural resources are also a source of pride for us in the Atlantic. Even if it’s not the same thing, I understand that the French language and francophone culture are very important, not only for Quebeckers, of course, but also for Franco-Ontarians, including the citizens of Nickel Belt and Glengarry—Prescott—Russell.

However, in the case of the bill, comments from Conservative MPs lacked a great deal of respect, unfortunately. They said it was not necessary to listen to the premiers of Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador or to the witnesses who were there. Those comments were…. What is the right adjective for “lacking respect,” Mr. Chair?

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

It’s “disrespectful.”

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Imagine that a majority of members on the Standing Committee on Natural Resources moves a motion for Ms. Stubbs to no longer occupy her role on the committee. It would be completely crazy. It’s true that I have been, and still am, frustrated by the comments of my Conservative colleagues on something that is a source of pride for us. I understand that the context is different than that of this committee, but the principle is the same. I remind my Conservative and Bloc colleagues, as well as Ms. Ashton, that if this motion were to go forward, it would create a dangerous precedent.

In committee, determined parliamentarians may ask ministers or other witnesses detailed questions, and maybe they are MPs we don’t like because our political interests are different. However, if we were to choose to present a motion for one of those members to be excluded from the committee and encourage the whips or other parties to exclude them, that would be completely crazy.

I believe the motion before us today is not reasonable. I repeat: It is a personal attack. Many articles appeared in national media that will help Canadians form an opinion of Mr. Drouin’s behaviour. As Mr. Samson and Mr. Serre said, Mr. Drouin apologized for his comments, which were problematic. I agree with the fact that the words used were not okay, but Mr. Drouin apologized. I don’t understand why the committee is still debating this motion. I don’t understand why members of the opposition want to continue this witch hunt.

I am a member of the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, and I am very proud of Canadian farmers. I want to give you that committee’s perspective. I am, of course, very proud of your work, Mr. Chair. In general, the Standing Committee on Official Languages has a good reputation when it comes to working collaboratively, I think, and concentrating on what’s necessary to improve the state of the French language, but also English in some minority communities. In my opinion, the committee works well together.

At the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, members have different opinions based on their political party. For example, Mr. Barlow is very determined in the House of Commons. He is a man of principle at committee, but he is also reasonable. Same thing goes for Mr. Perron, Mr. MacGregor and all the members of the committee. We have some political battles, but we always concentrate on people’s interests or those of Canadian farmers.

As an occasional member of this committee, I think it’s necessary to encourage all regular members of the committee to consider the interests of their fellow citizens and stakeholders, and determine if this activity is constructive in the context of preserving the French language.

Personally, I do not believe this exercise to be beneficial. Mr. Serré gave the point of view of Ontario’s Assemblée de la francophonie. I think the committee must continue its proceedings. At a certain point, I think stakeholders will see that this exercise is nothing more than an attack, that it is not constructive and that it does not serve their interests. The committee’s responsibility is to work in the interests of Canadian citizens and students, for example those in Nova Scotia who need access to high school French-language classes and more resources. We need there to be greater collaboration between provinces, territories and the government of Canada.

When I arrived in 2019, I did not have the ability to speak French well. However, I had access to the required resources and to encouragement, as well as having a connection with my colleagues. Today, I am a good example.

This motion will cool other MPs’ interest, including anglophones, who want to participate in the effort to promote the French language. I understand that Mr. Drouin is not an MP from Quebec, but he is very close to Quebec. He is very determined when it comes to the importance of the French language in Quebec. I think that forms an aspect of this context.

As we know, when a motion is submitted to us, it is impossible for us to study any other matters.

I will give all the committee members something else to think about: my Nova Scotian perspective. In Ottawa, in the House of Commons, it is very easy for me to converse in French with Mr. Samson, Mr. Godin, Mr. Généreux, Mrs. Kusie or Mr. Beaulieu. Usually, I watch the news in French on Radio‑Canada. When I come back to the hotel after a long day spent working for my fellow citizens, I am happy to watch the news in French. However, in Nova Scotia, it’s difficult to access French programming. When I am in the car, on the road between my office and my home, I normally listen to Radio-Canada, but those resources don’t exist in the region. It’s not the same context as in Quebec. We must consider Radio-Canada’s mandate in terms of the French language as well as the CBC’s importance in maintaining journalism in the context of algorithms and artificial intelligence.

It is especially important for people, for my fellow citizens, because I was going to forget to say that the riding of Kings—Hants is very special in the French context. Indeed, it contains the Grand-Pré national historic site and its church, an important site for us, but especially for you too, Mr. Chair, because you are an Acadian.

I will tell a story for all the people here and for Canadians who are watching our proceedings.

Grand-Pré is a national historic site. In 1755, the British Army and the colonial government, whose exact name I forget, declared Acadians persona non grata. At the time, Acadians were neutral and did not swear allegiance to the King of France or the King of England.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Was it the Planters?

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

No, Mrs. Kusie, it wasn’t the Planters. The Planters were the people involved after the Deportation.

Mr. Chair, would it be possible to ask Ms. Kusie to say a few words on the subject, but after my speech, because I have the floor right now?

10:05 a.m.

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Oh, oh! (laughter)

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Mr. Chair, I just want to say that Mr. Blois speaks French very well. In fact, I find him more polite than Mr. Drouin. He may want to become a permanent member of our committee.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

I was going to say that if I could pick favourites among our members, they would be Ms. Ashton, Mrs. Kusie and Mr. Blois. I mean it.

You, our anglophone colleagues, impress me a great deal. You always make an effort to speak French here, and you are extremely respectful. For the francophones around this table, you have no idea how much your efforts do us good.

Mr. Blois, you may continue, but if you want a lesson on Acadian history, Mr. Samson and I can help you. In the meantime, you were talking about the Deportation and I’m trying to see the link with the motion.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

It’s important. Give me a second to make the link, Mr. Chair.

I also thank Mrs. Kusie very much for her help in this context. The Planters were people, Loyalists, who came to Nova Scotia after the Acadian Deportation. That’s it, the link with this motion: A witness defended the cause of the French language in Quebec.

The French language in Quebec is crucial, of course. It is crucial to have a program and initiatives to promote and protect francophone culture and the French language in Quebec. But it’s not just in Quebec. It’s also in Nova Scotia, because of its francophone population. It’s a very special element, as you know.

My argument is very simple. In its important work, this committee must focus on these issues and initiatives, including in my province of Nova Scotia. I hope that if the debate continues during the next meeting, which I probably will not attend, some members submit amendments so that the committee considers the importance of the French language throughout Canada, and important initiatives for Nova Scotia and its francophone population. I am given to understand that Mr. Sampson did so.

French teachers and professors at Université Sainte-Anne are the reason it’s possible for me to present my point of view in French today. Every week, I practised three, four or five times in virtual mode, because Parliament offers the resources that allowed me to try and improve my capacity in French.

Mr. Chair, would it be possible to ask the analysts a question? I’d like to know if, in the past, there is a precedent at one of the House committees, where a motion was passed to pull an MP from a committee or to ask a party whip to do so.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

You want to know if there is a precedent or not?

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Yes. If there are any, it's very rare. I still think it would be a dangerous precedent.

I'd just like to give a little background so that all members are more familiar with Mr. Drouin and his work at the Assemblée parlementaire de la Francophonie, in an international context. He is very dedicated to his work with the APF. He has many contacts with other parliamentarians in Europe and Africa, and I know he travels a lot to create these links. That's something to consider with regard to this motion. Mr. Drouin has many relationships with other stakeholders, other MPs and other people who are also dedicated to preserving the French language around the world. The vote regarding his continuation as president of the APF here in Canada has been held.

In my opinion, this motion is not serious. What's more, it's problematic, because Mr. Drouin is a good ambassador for the French language throughout Canada, but also internationally.

I'll just take a minute to analyze the other aspects of the motion. As chair of a committee myself, the Agriculture and Agri-Food Committee, I understand the importance of following procedures, but it's a difficult role in some contexts. A certain aspect of our work is not clear-cut and is neither black nor white, but rather in a grey area. I am therefore in favour of your work in this context, Mr. Chair, since you have given all the members the details of the procedure to be followed.

I'll raise one final consideration, Mr. Chair. I understand that we only have one minute left before we have to get back to our other parliamentary duties, but I want to remind my colleagues of the precedent that would be set if this motion were adopted. It would be very problematic, in my opinion. Nothing would prevent me, for example, from moving a motion against Ms. Stubbs of the Standing Committee on Natural Resources.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Point of order, Mr. Chair.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

Please wait a moment, Mr. Blois.

Mr. Godin, you have the floor.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Given the hour that has been wasted, the fact that it's 10:15 a.m. and the committee must end its work, I suggest that we not suspend the meeting, but that we adjourn, as you've already done, to facilitate technology and allow everyone to be well informed.

I move that the suspension be converted into an adjournment so that, at the next meeting, we can resume the debate.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

Thank you, Mr. Godin.

I must therefore stop you, Mr. Blois. Thank you for your enthusiastic comments.

By the way, Mr. Godin, there's no time wasted here, but I take note of what you said.

On the other hand, just before we adjourn, I remind you that we had agreed at the last meeting to take a few minutes today to decide on one small thing, the appearance of Heritage Canada officials for the study. Do I have unanimous consent to extend the meeting by two minutes?

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Yes. Mr. Chair, we must first rule on what I proposed. After that, we can be available for two minutes to, quite simply, make a decision regarding—

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

I will proceed in reverse, Mr. Godin. First, I'll adjourn the meeting and, next week, we'll hold meeting number 104, resuming the debate in exactly the same place. In my list of speakers, I already have Mr. Blois, if he comes back to finish his speech, then Mr. Samson, and you.

Before we adjourn, though, I'd ask everyone for two quick minutes to decide what we're going to do. Do we want to bring back the Canadian Heritage officials to finish the study or do we want to give our instructions to our analyst?

10:15 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Are you talking about the post-secondary study?

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

Exactly. We had said that we would talk about it at this meeting, that we would take a little time to decide what we were going to do.

So, what do we do, Mr. Godin? The floor is yours.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Actually, Mr. Chair, I'm moving a motion. We have a unanimous motion to bring in the minister by the end of June. I think the minister's testimony is important, as is that of the officials.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

I already announced that the minister had declined the invitation to return to the committee.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Doesn't this go against the committee's unanimous motion?

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

I didn't discuss the reasons for his refusal. I'm just telling you that he declined the invitation to come back to the committee, period. That's all I can tell you.

The public servants are available. Do we want to bring them in to complete the study, precisely before the end of June?