I think there’s been a slight decrease in reach. However, what we primarily see decreasing is average listenership. That’s why we don’t deny the difficulties of radio. People continue to turn on the radio, but they listen to it less because we’re in an attention economy with competition among music and entertainment listening options. People listen to the radio for shorter periods because they’re in a world where they are being pulled in every direction.
So it’s primarily average listenership that has decreased, which is also one of the explanations for certain difficulties.