Evidence of meeting #22 for Official Languages in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was draft.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Martin-Laforge  Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.
Sandilands  Lawyer, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.
Cardinal  Emeritus Professor, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
Krajewski  Chair, Réseau pour le développement de l'alphabétisme et des compétences
Desgagné  Executive Director, Réseau pour le développement de l'alphabétisme et des compétences

4:20 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

We talked about that: We'd like to see consultations.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

The Treasury Board Secretariat consulted you, but it didn't put much of what you said in the draft regulations.

4:20 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

There's always room for dialogue.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Let us be clear. It's all well and good to talk about consultations, but—

4:20 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

We need to have the resources to properly respond to the various institutions and tell them what we need. We don't have those resources. We can't be consulted by 7, 8, 10, 12 or 15 institutions. Even for us, who are funded to do this, it's difficult to respond to all the consultation requests. Our organizations aren't equipped for that.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

In that case, the consultation process could be improved, couldn't it?

4:20 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

First, then, the consultation process could be improved.

Second, what can be done to get results?

We're considering draft regulations today. We want to improve them. We have the same objective, which is to protect official language minority communities, while taking into account the specific situation in Quebec where, it's important to remember, the common language is French.

How can we add something to the regulations that will enable us to get better results? We can ask Treasury Board to include an element in the draft regulations, and say that this element will help us achieve the objective and that it should already be included in the regulations. It's important to remember that it took three years to draft these regulations.

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

I think our problem—

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Personally, I don't have a problem.

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

You don't have a problem.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

I do have one, but it's personal.

February 24th, 2026 / 4:25 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

It comes from the act. I think that's where the problem is. You don't have enough meat in the act to allow you to go much further. That's why we need revision in five years. That's your problem.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

I'll stop you right there, Ms. Martin‑Laforge. We aren't going to change the Official Languages Act. We're having trouble getting the draft regulations corrected. One Liberal voted against the act, but all the others voted in favour of it, so the changes will be made in 10 years.

Let's not waste our time and instead focus our energy on something else, namely the regulations.

The Chair Liberal Yvan Baker

You have 45 seconds left.

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

If you have indicators measuring the impact of the act's provisions, you can start suggesting things.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Second, then, the indicators in the regulations could be improved to enable a better response. Can we write it that way?

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

I have limited time, so I'm being brief.

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

Trust the vitality framework we already have. We already have one; we don't need to invent another.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Yvan Baker

Thank you, Mr. Godin.

To conclude this round, the floor is now yours for five minutes, Mr. Villeneuve.

Louis Villeneuve Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Thank you very much.

Good morning, Ms. Martin‑Laforge and Ms. Sandilands.

Ms. Martin‑Laforge, I'm pleased to see you here today. You're a former resident of Bromont.

4:25 p.m.

Director General, Talking. Advocating. Living in Quebec.

Sylvia Martin-Laforge

It's always the Townshippers.

Louis Villeneuve Liberal Brome—Missisquoi, QC

I know. In fact, I meet with townshippers a number of times during the year. We discussed various issues this summer, and we really tried to help them.

I want to come back to what Mr. Godin was saying earlier. It's true that we aren't going to change the Official Languages Act overnight. You said that the act lacks teeth. How would you define an act that has more teeth?