Yes, absolutely, lots of lost time for sure.
The issue therein is the.... Again, I look at all the presentations we've seen. For my particular questions, first of all I want to take a look at the Status of Women presentation from you, Justine. You talked about a number of things, including women being under-represented in the trades.
I spent a bit of my life working with the trades. I think the number was around $28—it's on one of these slides—compared to about $20, give or take. If we take a look at the federal private sector and at places such as Air Canada or CN, is this the case as well within the private federal sector, where tradespeople, regardless of their gender, are making different wages? I'm thinking of a heavy-duty mechanic or aircraft maintenance and that sort of thing.
Is that also happening in our federal service and our federal private service as well?