What is effective is the joint committee working toward achieving pay equity in a collaborative process, rather than adversarial. What's effective is the obligation to achieve a result. If you ask the parties to talk about pay equity at the bargaining table, there is no obligation to achieve it. That's why it doesn't work. We've been trying, before the enactment of the Pay Equity Act in Quebec, to bargain toward pay equity. We made progress but the cases that I litigated were the result of our inability to really achieve true pay equity at the bargaining table.
What's effective is all the elements of a proactive model that are integrated in the act, so it's almost a recipe that you have to follow, and you do it jointly in a collaborative process where people share information and come to a consensus. If a consensus doesn't emerge, there are mechanisms that are available at the pay equity commission, mediation and conciliation, to help us to get around that. It is effective. We make it work.