In terms of the example I gave with Gap Inc., the approach that we take and that we counsel them on is about solving all the gaps you have. Once you do that, when you build an inclusive environment, you are going to end up closing your wage gap. Having more women in leadership, evaluating your talent management systems, looking at the way you're promoting and hiring then just cascades and will bring about pay equity, so we talked to them about....
I think one of the people who testified prior to me talked about looking at talent development systems. We talk about diverse slates and counsel them a lot about the business case for doing this. That's the approach we take with them. If you try to piece it out too much, you're not really going to get to the systemic unconscious and subconscious biases that are built into the systems.