That's fair enough. I just wanted to make that note.
The other clarification that's important for me with the Canadian Bankers Association, and perhaps with some comments Mr. Hynes made, is that in the 2004 pay equity task force report there is a whole piece that talks about being flexible with smaller and larger employers. Some of that is addressed, but I wonder if both of you can let us know how you are doing, as industries, on pay equity.
I'm not talking about wage discrimination, because that's illegal. If Derrick and Elizabeth are doing the same thing, and I'm paying Elizabeth $5 and Derrick's getting $10, that's illegal. We all understand that.
The next thing is the fact that when women are in a workforce or in a particular area, then that brings the wage down, and then you find equal work of equal value is not happening. Bankers have been committed to the principles of pay equity for 35 years. I'm wondering how you know how well you're doing.
I would ask the same of FETCO. Where are you at? What are your own statistics?