Well, you know, that's part of what a leader does and what a manager does. He doesn't use the hammer on every situation. Every issue has to be looked at by itself.
I actually could have technically looked at Fraser's behaviour, at the time when we had the discussion and when he said to me that he had not disclosed anything for a year and a half, but I chose as the manager to do what I believed was the right thing to do.
With Mr. Lewis? Mr. Lewis, in my view, did the right thing when he came forward. He was a division rep. He's the person who digs out things and poses questions. I believed his action was inappropriate, but I was much more interested in getting to the bottom of this serious matter, not worrying about whether I was going to be able to take some minor sanction against somebody. I had a serious problem in how the fund that is responsible for the pensions of employees and veterans.... That was my focus, and that's what I determined.... That's what the captain of the ship does: he gets to the serious problem and solves that. The rest will look after itself.
I did not have any interest in going after Mr. Lewis, because he was doing his job by coming to me. But he made a mistake in judgment when he tried to get a criminal investigation. The organization had decided how this matter was going to be dealt with when I made that decision.
When I make that decision, everybody else has to fall in line. That's my position.