Public Accounts Committee on April 30th, 2007

[The Chair, Liberal, Shawn Murphy]

Mr. Williams, we might have to wait till next meeting.

[John Williams, Conservative, Edmonton—St. Albert, AB]

I'll just give you a notice of motion; you don't have to deal with it today.

[The Chair, Liberal, Shawn Murphy]

Okay, go ahead.

[John Williams, Conservative, Edmonton—St. Albert, AB]

The notice of motion is that the public accounts committee ask the Library of Parliament to engage a forensic auditor to try to present all this information and e-mails and timelines and so on in some kind of understandable format so we can actually understand and have some sense as to what all is going on. I give that as a notice of motion. We can discuss that at the next meeting.

[The Chair, Liberal, Shawn Murphy]

Thank you, Mr. Williams. We'll take that on notice.

Mr. Lake, five minutes, and then the meeting will adjourn at the end of five minutes, sharp.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Mr. Rogerson, just tying up some loose ends, we're wanting to know, were many of the same people involved in the gift-giving scandal investigated by the OPP and informally disciplined also involved in the problems with the pension and insurance funds?

[A/Commr Bruce Rogerson]

I wouldn't say many, I would say a select few.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Who were they?

[A/Commr Bruce Rogerson]

They would have been Jim Ewanovich and Deputy Gauvin, me, along with a number of other people.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Okay.

I want to move to Mr. Frizzell. It's been said over and over again, the semantics about the investigation being over. In your mind, should it have been over when it was over?

[S/Sgt Mike Frizzell]

In my mind, there were still things to investigate.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

There were still things to investigate.

[S/Sgt Mike Frizzell]

I named one earlier.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Can you reiterate--and I think you've answered this before, but just for flow here--whether Ms. Burton and Ms. George were under investigation?

[S/Sgt Mike Frizzell]

“Under investigation” is too strong a term.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Maybe whether you were looking into some things, you were following some leads regarding—

[S/Sgt Mike Frizzell]

They would definitely have to be spoken to; they have information.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Was Mr. Roy aware of this?

[S/Sgt Mike Frizzell]

Mr. Roy sent me the information I was acting upon, so....

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Okay. Now moving to Ms. George, Mr. Roy stated earlier that in 2001 he worked with the RCMP and reported to you, I believe. Can you tell us what his role was at that point?

[D/Commr Barbara George]

When I arrived there he had been reporting to another chief superintendent, so he was already on the spot. He was an inspector and he was doing a lot of support work for the two superintendents who were in officer staffing at the time. He was doing a lot of excellent work, but it was support work with Chief Superintendent Macaulay, who was the superintendent at the time, and another superintendent.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

He reported directly to you, though.

[D/Commr Barbara George]

Well, no, he reported—

[Paul Roy]

May I answer?

I reported to the a civilian employee by the name of Dennis Fodor.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Okay, and you worked under, maybe not directly, Ms. George.