It does sound like this is more of a dispute over whether or not RCMP officers have to be unionized. That makes for a very interesting debate, but it really has absolutely no pertinence to the discussion we're having here today. I'm just hoping that we can keep focused on the pension and insurance scandal, which is what we're discussing here, instead of having a theatrical debate about unionizing RCMP members. I'm sure that debate could be had at some point, but that has nothing to do with what we're discussing. Clearly Mr. Girard's problems with his organization have nothing to do with this scandal.
Moving back to the problems that we've been discussing here, I would like to ask Mr. Lewis one last question. It has been said that Mr. Gauvin had a tremendous amount of authority and power within the organization when Mr. Zaccardelli was the commissioner. In your view, Mr. Lewis, why was it that Mr. Gauvin had such sweeping powers?