Absolutely.
Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #66 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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(Retired), Great-West Life Assurance Company
There was no contract between the RCMP and Morneau Sobeco.
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Bloc
Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC
Surely there was an agreement, even if there was no contract.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick
Okay, you're out of time, Mr. Laforest. You might get some chances to go at this later on.
Mr. Poilievre.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Mr. Casey, did Mr. Roy tell you to use only the estimates of Morneau Sobeco in preparing a business case for the outsourcing of the pension?
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
No, it's just a very straightforward question. Let's not waste any time. Let's go right to the answer.
Did Mr. Roy indicate to you to use only Morneau Sobeco's estimates?
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Conservative
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Senior Policy Analyst, Disability Program & Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
No.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Mr. Casey, when did he indicate to you that you were to use only Morneau Sobeco's estimates in developing the business case?
June 12th, 2007 / 4:20 p.m.
As an Individual
I was given the financial information from Morneau Sobeco.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
No, that's not it. When did Mr. Roy indicate to you that you were only to use Morneau Sobeco's numbers?
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Conservative
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Well, someone is lying. The difference is that clearly there is demonstrable evidence that someone is lying.
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Liberal
Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON
On a point of order, Chair, I think it's time to move on.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
All right, we'll move on, then.
Mr. Crupi, Anthony Koziol testified that you, as supervisor, directed him to use only the cost estimates provided by Morneau Sobeco in the development of the business case justifying outsourcing of pension administration. Why would you give direction of that sort?
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As an Individual
I don't recall giving those exact words. We had a costing for the outsourcing. It was from a valid company.
We spoke to Canada Post, which had worked with Towers and suggested that the numbers were reasonable--it was a verbal conversation--and that they were reasonable to their costs--
4:25 p.m.
As an Individual
Canada Post, which had gone to Towers Perrin to do the same thing.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
That doesn't sound like a verification. It was a casual conversation with a totally separate organization. “Oh, by the way, what do these numbers seem like to you?”
If I go out to buy a carton of milk, I shop around a bit. When you went out to shop around for what was estimated to be a $3-million contract, you only asked one source for a price. How could you possibly justify that kind of conduct?
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Conservative