Evidence of meeting #69 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was meeting.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Georges Etoka
Sheila Fraser  Auditor General of Canada, Office of the Auditor General of Canada
Ken Cochrane  Chief Information Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Steven Poole  Chief Executive Officer, Information Technology Services Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Jim Alexander  Deputy Chief Information Officer, Chief Information Officer Branch, Treasury Board Secretariat

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

I'm getting a lot of conflicting opinions on this. My interpretation is that the chair has 48 hours after the decision to hold the meeting to decide when we will get into the substance of this, which would be Wednesday.

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Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Mr. Chairman, let's read Standing Order 106(4) again.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

Let's have order here, and we'll just try to work our way through it.

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Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Let's go through this quite simply.

Within five days of the receipt, by the clerk of a standing committee, of a request signed by any four members of the said committee, the Chair of the said committee shall convene such a meeting provided that forty-eight hours’ notice is given of the meeting.

When did I get notice of this, Mr. Chairman?

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

George, when did they get that?

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The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Georges Etoka

I got this on Thursday.

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Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

We got it today.

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The Clerk

The 48 hours does not apply to that. It's a request. It does not.

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Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

A point of order.

The notice says clearly, “Forty-eight hours' notice of such a meeting must be given to the members.” Now, we got notice this afternoon.

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Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Mr. Chairman, I have a point of order. I would like to be heard.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

Get to your point of order.

Mark down his point of order, because we're on a point of order already.

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Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

It seems very clear that the standing orders, if you turn to chapter 20 of Marleau-Montpetit, which deals with committees—

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

Order. Order here.

Marleau and Montpetit.... Just let me read the ruling on this section. It reads:

The Chair may agree to consider the matter at a meeting that has already been scheduled, rather than calling a meeting for that purpose alone.

As far as I've seen, we have a meeting scheduled on Wednesday. We can deal with it on Wednesday. That's the ruling I'm going to make.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Let's debate the motion then.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

No, we don't need a motion. This committee has already agreed that we're going to have a meeting.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

No, no. This is the meeting.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

Under the ruling there, I have the discretion to set this for another meeting. I've decided to have it on Wednesday.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I would ask you this respectfully. What will you do if we just put a motion forward that says we're going to do this this Thursday?

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Chair, for clarification, during our emergency meeting on Thursday I tabled a motion that did not receive unanimous consent, but would have provided the adequate 48 hours' notice. The motion read—

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

That's been withdrawn.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

By whom?

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

I thought at the very onset of the meeting I raised that with you and you withdrew it. That motion is off the agenda.

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An hon. member

But he didn't withdraw it.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Brian Fitzpatrick

He did.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Hold the meeting on Thursday.