I'm sorry I can't tell you the internal justice department rates, but I'd be pleased to send you the chart that shows the hourly rates for the different levels of justice department lawyers.
On the outside agent side, we negotiate rates on behalf of the government with outside agents. For years we have successfully retained the top-flight litigators in Canada at a very low hourly rate compared to what they would ordinarily charge their clients in the private sector. It's very, very favourable.
The work we've been doing over the last year following the Auditor General's report to put in place these new and more rigorous procurement practices and so on has been to try to use market competition techniques as best as possible to ensure we're getting a competitive look at the lawyers who are prepared to work for the Department of Justice. And we're again getting very good rates.