If I walked into a department as, let's say, an expert on management, I would consciously look for and would really want to see--you can come up with all the measurements you want and targets and everything else--a living, breathing culture that's committed to good environmental stewardship. I would want to see a department consciously trying to do that. We could have a whole bunch of government people ordering and micromanaging the whole process, but I'd be a lot happier to know, if I walked into a department, that this kind of living, breathing culture was alive there.
If I went into any one of the government departments, would I find that kind of living culture--right from the deputy minister down to the front-line people?