Evidence of meeting #5 for Public Accounts in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was number.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Hugh McRoberts  Assistant Auditor General, Office of the Auditor General of Canada
Stephen Rigby  President, Canada Border Services Agency
Gordon Stock  Principal, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada, Justice, Office of the Auditor General of Canada
Kimber Johnston  Vice-President, Enforcement Branch, Canada Border Services Agency
Barbara Hébert  Vice-President, Operations Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Merci, Madame Faille.

Colleagues, that concludes the second round.

Mr. McRoberts, are there any closing comments you want to make on behalf of the Office of the Auditor General?

5:10 p.m.

Assistant Auditor General, Office of the Auditor General of Canada

Hugh McRoberts

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I would note that the agency has agreed with the recommendations we have made. They have indicated they are taking action to address them. We are encouraged by that, and we are looking forward to coming back and seeing the progress they have made.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Thank you, Mr. McRoberts and Mr. Stock.

Do you have any closing comments, Mr. Rigby?

5:10 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Stephen Rigby

Only to say, Chair, that we have formulated what I hope is an effective action plan. Mr. Christopherson's comments are very well taken. There are a number of chronic issues here, which I take very seriously. It is my hope that a number of the initiatives we have under way will begin to break the chronic nature of some of these issues.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

On behalf of the committee, I want to thank you very much for your appearance today. Dealing with an agency, as you said, with 97 million crossings, and I think it's $1.5 billion worth of trade every day, certainly makes for many challenges when you go to work in the morning. You perform a very important and challenging role for all Canadians, and we want to thank you for that.

Colleagues, I want to make a couple of announcements.

Do you have something, Mr. Christopherson?

5:10 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

If I may, number one, I want to thank you, Mr. Rigby, for your demeanour and your answers. I wish you the best of luck. We need you to do well.

And Mr. McRoberts, do you have any idea when a follow-up audit may take place?

5:10 p.m.

Assistant Auditor General, Office of the Auditor General of Canada

Hugh McRoberts

Right now, I don't. We have planned to schedule follow-up work, but my guess is that probably we would want to allow at least two to three years for Mr. Rigby to get things done and in place. That just gives you a concept of the timeframe. We'll put that in our plans.

5:10 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I appreciate that.

Chair, that seems a little long, given some of the files we've talked about here. I wonder if there isn't something midway that we could receive from Mr. Rigby. I say that without having a whole lot of specifics in front of me. I could go through them if you wish.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

We can put it in our report, Mr. Christopherson.

5:15 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Maybe the clerk would be good enough to make a note of that.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Okay. I have a couple of points of information before I adjourn the meeting.

I want to bring to everyone's attention that our next meeting is Thursday afternoon. It's in Room 237. I think a few people were confused as to the location of this meeting. They do move us around, so you have to check your notice. In fact sometimes we may be in the building on Sparks Street.

So it's back in Room 237 on Thursday afternoon, and the meeting is in camera. We're going to deal with two reports. Those reports have been prepared by the analyst. They have been translated in both official languages, and they're being circulated to all members electronically, either later today or first thing tomorrow morning. You'll have them by tomorrow morning.

I urge everyone to come on Thursday. For the benefit of the new members, we go paragraph by paragraph. I'd urge everyone to read them and ask yourself whether that reflects the mood and decisions of this committee.

Those are the items on the agenda for Thursday afternoon. We may try to do another report, depending on how we get along, but that will be our first effort with respect to reports.

If there is nothing else, I will adjourn the meeting.

The meeting is adjourned.