I understand, Chair. I'm not going to pursue it any longer. I simply asked to explain how we got more or less. Mr. Fonberg actually said it was the same. Mr. Ross says that the F-35 is actually going to cost more to fly than the CF-18. I accept them at that, so we'll move along.
Mr. Fonberg, you said in testimony on Tuesday that the PBO didn't use operating costs when they came up with these numbers. The PBO was here today, Kevin Page. He said he absolutely did use operating costs. We may not agree on this number, and that's okay, but do you now agree that the PBO did actually use operating costs to come up with the number?