Evidence of meeting #104 for Public Accounts in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was deputy.

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Michael Wernick  Clerk of the Privy Council and Secretary to the Cabinet, Privy Council Office
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Angela Crandall

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

That would be a separate motion—

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An hon. member

Yes.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

—because this motion does not refer at all to the other....

I have a feeling that what we're seeing is pushing the DM out of the 14th. I have heard nothing yet from the government in regard to inviting them here on the 19th, so that will leave us—

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Well, no, because we thought we had the other DMs.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Well, we don't.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

We just found out no, but that's what we had heard.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

We don't have anyone else on the 19th.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

You're pushing us into a no vote.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

We don't have a meeting of the minds. If we vote, we're going to divide. We haven't reached agreement yet.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

There is no consensus.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

That's right.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

That's why I've already been.... Ms. Raitt has asked for a recorded vote.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

That's why I think we should keep going. We're not there yet.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

But why have we not—

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

What Mr. Massé and I are saying is not reflected in the motion.

Mr. Massé, maybe you can help.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Go ahead, Mr. Massé.

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Liberal

Rémi Massé Liberal Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

It's just a question. Maybe I'm confused. On the 19th, can we get the list of deputy ministers and associates that we have asked? We can have one, two, or three.

You're saying no, so we can't have any of them on the 19th?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

None of them are available on the 19th.

June 12th, 2018 / 5:30 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Angela Crandall

None of them, or they haven't responded.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

What you would like to see is that on the 19th we would have the current deputy minister, the Auditor General, and the secretary of the Treasury Board.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

That's currently scheduled for the 14th. We move it to the 19th—

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

That moves to the 19th.

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NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

—and the AG comes on the 14th. If either one can't do it, plan B would be to stay with the deputy on the 14th and invite the AG for the 19th.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Is that all right? I'm seeing the affirmative. The question...?

Go ahead, Mr. Arya.

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Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

On a point of order, it's 5:30.