Mr. Chair, we should remember that our focus is that these are start-up companies at the beginning of their life that are trying to commercialize ideas and innovation.
Yes, ultimately the returns are important and are perhaps the most important thing, but those returns aren't going to happen for a number of years. The types of metrics we are suggesting are metrics that will help people understand whether in the meantime the $400 million, which is an asset of the Government of Canada, still has its asset value, or whether there are indications that some of these companies.... As we know, it's venture capital, so we know some of that—