We have in the office what I'll call a consultative committee. We bring in people from the private firms once a year to have a discussion with them about what's out there in the environment in the business and so on. At the last meeting that took place, two or three months ago, the private sector firms were very clear to us that we are significantly behind where they are and the way they're doing their business.
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