It affects the numbers when we count, as Deputy Commissioner Brennan alluded to, because they are operational members, but they're just not at work at that snapshot in time. That's one way it affects us, but obviously, there is a lot of planning that has to come into effect when you have the maternity leave and paternity leave options.
As I said, we have a short window for recertifications. For example, when I was in charge of northern Manitoba, we would have relief members so that the members we put up there could come down to do their training, because they shouldn't be missing training opportunities while they're up in the north.
Obviously, we do have...where we can bring people in on relief. We use overtime, but again, we have to be aware of the mental wellness of our members as well. We don't want everything to rely on the overtime solution.