Mr. Chair, I think that Mr. Harvey has a good question. There is in fact a cost. Now we have to see how that cost is calculated and on what basis. I can appreciate that you have not yet determined how the cost will be calculated, but it is certain that there will be one. We put out $400 million in 2012, and when the time comes to reimburse that amount, the return may not be at 12%—if 12% is the target—because we will not have paid any interest since 2012. I have some understanding of Mr. Harvey's question.
My question is about venture capital. I think that for our society, this financial lever to start up businesses is an investment. It is important for us as a society to encourage innovation, and it is in my opinion one of the missions of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada. In terms of results or percentages, your success rate is surely not 100%. What is your level of success?
In other words, of the businesses you have helped, what percentage unfortunately failed, and as a consequence caused the department and private partners to lose money? There are businesses, like the Googles of this world, that have prospered and succeeded, but there are others that unfortunately failed. Can you give me some indication? I understand that there's not much history since 2012, but have you noted any trends? Do you have any forecasts?