What I would say is I know that some of our board members are also our stakeholders, and when I was referring to stakeholders, I was actually thinking more about the Shipping Federation, which can be interested in keeping our tariffs low for their clients, their members.
With regard to their recusing themselves, we haven't had them recuse themselves. We've asked. At the start of the meetings, we are now asking people to declare any conflicts of interest. They haven't recused themselves, because we have other members of our board who are there and can challenge them.