Thank you, Ms. Kelly.
I'm going to be more specific. Organizational culture is top down. This means that senior managers motivate people in the organization.
At the time, when we had evidence of negligence and inaction in the behaviour of Ms. de Blois and Mr. Motiuk, it had been impossible to obtain details about sanctions. They kept their respective jobs as director and deputy commissioner.
They encouraged a reign of terror. This kind of organizational climate starts at the top and does not promote change.
Can you confirm that there are no problems of this kind at the moment in senior management at correctional service Canada?
From 2010 to 2015, a five-year period, we were able to observe Ms. de Blois' inappropriate behaviour.