Madam Chair, we have been talking to the U.S. and the U.K., but more recently we find that our interventions and our outreach are more successful when we are more targeted. We've actually gone, for example, on NextGen, to states and provinces that have reformed their pay systems. On that expert advisory committee on NextGen that I spoke about earlier, we have members from private companies too, meaning private companies in Canada. We have a province and we are looking to engage a number of leaders from the U.S. at the state level who have made the transition.
On agile governance, more broadly through DM Core we were recently talking to Australia and New Zealand on their experiences. Rather than the broad generalities, which in the early days were very helpful, we're now microtargeted on projects, on the nature of them and on who has been best in class on those. They are more than happy to come and share their experiences with us. We have found that very helpful.
We also work a lot with Gartner, and I know people are curious about that. They really take market intelligence globally, and they can help you with benchmarking and point you to the market leaders, in what they call their magic quadrant, who you should be engaging with, or who, with their global practice, they've seen be very successful. We also employ them to help point us in the right direction.