Evidence of meeting #104 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was accenture.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Hogan  Auditor General of Canada, Office of the Auditor General
Mairead Lavery  President and Chief Executive Officer, Export Development Canada
David Bhamjee  Vice-President and Chief Strategy and Engagement Officer, Development Finance Institute Canada Inc.
Monia Lahaie  Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Diane Peressini  Former Executive Director, Government Accounting Policy and Reporting, Treasury Board Secretariat
Blair Kennedy  Senior Director, Government Accounting Policy and Reporting, Treasury Board Secretariat
Evelyn Dancey  Assistant Deputy Minister, Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Lori Kerr  Chief Executive Officer, Development Finance Institute Canada Inc.
Mark Weber  National President, Customs and Immigration Union

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Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Monia Lahaie

Speaking from my perspective, I have not been engaged on that file at this point.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Has Minister Anand not spoken to the ministry, to your knowledge?

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Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Monia Lahaie

She has spoken to the ministry—

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Was it in the last 24 hours and in relation to this embarrassment?

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Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Monia Lahaie

I don't know what was discussed with the minister.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

To your knowledge, has she been in contact with the ministry in the last 24 hours?

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Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Monia Lahaie

I don't know.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

You don't know.

What about the other representative from the Treasury Board? We have a few here from the Treasury Board.

4:05 p.m.

Blair Kennedy Senior Director, Government Accounting Policy and Reporting, Treasury Board Secretariat

I have no knowledge either.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

You have no knowledge as well.

To the Department of Finance, has Minister Freeland, the Deputy Prime Minister, in the last 24 hours, reached out to ministry officials—

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

I have a point of order.

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Liberal

Jean Yip Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

I have a point of order.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Who's going to go first?

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Liberal

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

I'll let my colleague take it.

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Liberal

Jean Yip Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

What's the relevance?

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

That's not a point of order. Stop the stunts.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Mr. Brock is free to ask the questions. I think we just had a sample of what the answers are going to be. This is his time. The witnesses are more than capable of informing us of what they know and, in this case, don't know.

Mr. Brock, you have three minutes and 20 seconds left.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Has Minister Freeland, in the last 24 hours, reached out and asked to know if anyone in the ministry is also receiving funds as a contractor, yes or no?

February 29th, 2024 / 4:10 p.m.

Evelyn Dancey Assistant Deputy Minister, Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance

To my knowledge, no.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

To your knowledge....

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Evelyn Dancey

I simply wouldn't know.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

In light of the news you've heard in the last 24 hours, have you on your own—anyone here representing these ministries—double-checked to see whether or not people are moonlighting as contractors while already on the government payroll, yes or no?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Evelyn Dancey

For my part, no.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

What about at the Treasury Board?

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Senior Director, Government Accounting Policy and Reporting, Treasury Board Secretariat

Blair Kennedy

It's no for me as well.