Absolutely. We've seen heavy-handed discipline. We've seen investigations where there need not have been any. There could have been a simple conversation with an employee. CBSA, as I said earlier, in general manages through fact findings and through investigation. That has gotten worse and worse over the years despite the fact that we keep adding more and more managers to the workplace. You would think there would be some ability to manage. That's really not what we see there.
My understanding is that discipline is supposed to be corrective and not punitive. We see our members regularly disciplined with no training and really no knowledge of how they could have done anything differently in the first place to not be disciplined. It's quite a challenging atmosphere for them to work in. When they see the behaviour of managers and report that behaviour and see that really nothing happens when it's on that side, it's very disheartening.