That's perfect.
Yesterday, the representative of the Association of Canadian Financial Officers told us that financial officers at the Canada Border Services Agency had witnessed things they disagreed with, that they sounded the alarm, but that there was no follow‑up. So, even when there are financial officers within departments and agencies, they are not listened to.
How is it possible that there are controls, advice and recommendations, in addition to financial officers, whose job it is to enforce those processes, but that ultimately they are not respected? I imagine that controls are working somewhere, but right now, what we are seeing is that ArriveCAN is probably the tip of the iceberg. Companies like GC Strategies received so much money precisely because internal controls are not conducted in a number of places. How do you think that's possible?