What is relevant is that there is not just one thing that went wrong. A lot of things in succession have gone wrong at the Department of National Defence. At some point, we say to ourselves that there is the responsibility of deputy ministers and employers, who are public servants, yes, but there is also what we call ministerial accountability. That accountability belongs to you at the Department of National Defence, but it also belonged to you when you were Minister of Public Safety. Everything that happened with ArriveCAN at the Canada Border Services Agency was under your ministerial accountability while you were the Minister of Public Safety.
My question about how often you spoke with Mr. Ossowski leads me to wonder if he has ever spoken to you about whistle-blowers who have reported issues to the Canada Border Services Agency. I'm thinking in particular of what we now suspect, which was reported by a whistle-blower, namely widespread corruption within the agency. When you were Minister of Public Safety, did you or did you not hear about these allegations from whistle-blowers?